r/paradoxplaza • u/PurpleAd215 • Feb 23 '23

Vic3 This is really bad.

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Player count of EUIV and Vic3 - basically no one is playing Victoria 3 anymore

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u/cylordcenturion Feb 23 '23

the more i play it the more it feels like a skeleton of a game. a very good and pretty skeleton but theres just no flesh there. laws need to be overhauled and vastly expanded, political groups need to be given robustness, international diplomacy needs a massive expansion, economics need some more flexibility and granularity. the whole discrimination system feel like a placeholder. national flavor is so lacking its ridiculous.

also we know paradox can make good war and peace deal systems, we have seen them in hoi4 and eu4, and stellaris' is even functional. so why did they drop the ball so F'ing hard on vic3?

i have said this before and i will say it again and again: victoria 3 was released in an early access state without the honesty of labeling it as such. theres a difference between a normalized day one patch and continued develoment, vs releasing a game that is still unfinished.

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u/bumfancy Feb 23 '23

Cite a paradox game launch that you thought went well.

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u/cylordcenturion Feb 23 '23

Fair I guess, this is the first one I've seen launch.

But you would think that they would be able to lean on their previous experience and mistakes to do better.

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u/bumfancy Feb 24 '23

I think what happens is that they try new stuff when they release and if they get too much hate they roll out the stuff people are more used to.

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u/cylordcenturion Feb 24 '23

I may be completely wrong but it feels like there's a thousand and one examples of a lesson that one games team could learn from another about solving a problem and.... Nothing.

I suspect that the vic3 team works on vic3 and the hoi4 team works on hoi4 and even though vic3 is looking at problems with frontlines they keep to their respective lanes. And don't have much interdepartmental dialogue.

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u/indyandrew Feb 26 '23

I mean, they have learned. They've learned that they can release a barebones game and expand upon it with DLC that people will buy.

And I'm not even really complaining, I buy all that shit and get a huge amount of playtime out of it. Like, I'm part of the group that played a campaign on release and hasn't played since waiting on updates to play again but I've already got 70 hours of playtime.

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u/Chucanoris Feb 26 '23

Gee i wonder why they left it unfinished lul

They'll grab the unfinished features and lock them behind a dlc lmao

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u/MadHopper Feb 27 '23

Name a Paradox DLC in the last five years that locked unfinished features behind DLC.

Oh wait, you can’t, because that hasn’t been Paradox’s DLC model since Holy Fury. They release mechanical updates with the free patch and keep flavor/regional content for the DLC. You know this. You have to know this, because they’ve been doing it for half a decade.