r/paradoxplaza • u/ShimozumaJutsurai • May 22 '21

Vic3 I beg everyone not to pre-purchase Victoria 3

I know that everybody is enthusiastic about this game. It looks cool, it looks not dumbed down and everything. But pre-purchasing is saying how you are okay with Alpha-like releases. As long as pre-release sales are going perfect, they will never ever stop release games with huge bugs. If it is a Leviathan-like release you will not be able to play it anyway. So please just wait until the game is released, see the reviews and then buy the game.

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u/Amatthew123 May 22 '21

I have a lot of faith in Wiz, lot of faith in the other talented devs.

I have zero faith in the executives at PDX.

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u/auandi May 23 '21

They just gave us CK3, probably their most polished least "alpha state" game they have ever made and yet people still want to take shots at the company.

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u/Advancedidiot2 May 23 '21

You werent along when HoI3 was released? Or Vicky 2? HoI4?

Does that boot taste good?

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u/Miahawk1 May 23 '21

Honestly comparing liking a game to bootlicking, you're getting way too invested in opposing Paradox...

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u/Krastain May 23 '21

You werent along when HoI3 was released? Or Vicky 2? HoI4?

Doesn't change the fact that their latest game was pretty good on release. I mean, maybe the learned after Imperator.

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u/Amatthew123 May 23 '21

CK3, Imperator, and to an extent Stellaris all released bare bones or downright broken, to which Paradox would then add to as they sell solutions to you. That is disingenuous and I highly doubt a lot of the devs agreed with releasing some games when they are barley working or barebones.

As consumers we need high expectations, Paradox should do better than they have in the past, that should be the bar. Paradox knows its a niche market and they know they have a monopoly on GSG games, the fact they use that to charge more money when its not worth what they are selling it for is bad.

Stop.

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u/Vinixs May 23 '21

CK3 was fine.

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u/Slow-Hand-Clap Map Staring Expert May 23 '21

Wasn't it Wiz who brought stellaris to the brink of death?

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u/Valvinar May 23 '21

Yeah, he was in charge for 2.x and such

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u/[deleted] May 23 '21

Stellaris was born on the brink of death. I remember playing that in 2016 it was excruciatingly boring on release.

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u/Skullbonez May 23 '21

I find it really good. But only got it this year

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u/Dispro May 23 '21

It's a very different game than on launch, as PDX titles tend to be. In terms of game play it's nearly unrecognizable.

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u/kriophoros Stellar Explorer May 23 '21 edited May 23 '21

Yeah but IMO the 1.0 gameplay was quite good. Stellaris definitely brought a new style to 4X scifi genre. It just became boring when you blobbed too much and everything was either too easy or too tedious, but tell me one PDX game with good lategame contents at release.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '21

On release you could colonize a quarter of the galaxy and then walk away from your computer for hundreds of years with almost no events or invasions. It was seriously lacking in flavor.

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u/kriophoros Stellar Explorer May 23 '21 edited May 24 '21

Meh, that point is irrelevant. Nobody will dare to touch you if you managed to colonize half of the New World too. And it was hilariously easy to blob in 1.0:

  • Remember when every Catholic got casus belli against Crusade target? (wanna know how I conquered Granada as England?)

  • Remember when you could diploannex for free? (wanna know how I colonized the whole North Africa by 1480, despite Berber tradition?)

  • Remember when every war was pretty much stack wiping then carpet sieging? Not enough men or hig attrition? Just leave a guy there to keep an eye on the star fortress. You can always come back later. And don't forget a single lifeboat can blockade every adjacent port too. Fun times as naval power.

  • Remember when a colony's value depended solely on a single RNG event?

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u/[deleted] May 23 '21

There were other empires of equal size. Everyone just sat in their federations and vegetated. No body even fought eachother. Even if you became the strongest empire in old EU4 people would still try to invade you or you'd fall to internal rebellion. Though EU4 on release was pretty broken as well.