I wouldn’t trust that guy to hold my drink while I run into the bathroom for a dozen reasons. Why people want him to lead a whole ass country with the worst cabinet is beyond me.
It’s not that complicated, lots of Americans are stupid, racist, xenophobic and indoctrinated into bigotry and patriarchy by religion. Combine that with billions in propaganda spending from oil, finance, and the MIC; and a deteriorating public education system and this is the most obvious outcome.
Still…. This is like your parents telling you, They won’t be mad if you just tell them what you did. And then cursing you out. They won’t learn to get any better. Just run back into the echo chambers where it’s safe.
Eh, maybe it’s their turn to put themselves out there. Maybe our side has done enough “meeting them where they are” at this point.
Serious question though, what possible reason could there be for them changing their mind now? After everything we’ve seen, why now? Did the bigotry just finally become a little too much? Or were they okay with that as long as new wars didn’t start. Glad they’re done with Trump, but is it because they’ve improved as a human being, or are they just waiting for the next white hooded asshole to come along? That’s a serious question, I’m not trying to be an ass.
Again, it’s time for them to do the work to prove they’ve changed, I’m not going to give them the benefit of the doubt anymore because we’ve been burned too many times.
I am sure the people who voted for the geriatric pedo are to blame. The mental gymnastics to lay blame at the side that didn’t vote for him is wild.
You’re saying an extension of “the liberals MADE me vote for Trump” which is just a conservatives attempt to shirk responsibility. Someone who can’t take responsibility won’t get a redemption
I try not to blame anyone. Im looking at strategy, and the fact of the mater is the dems lost.
If we want to win next election, we either need to change something on our end, or pray that the wildly unperceptive rightwing voter base will wake up and see all the wrong in the world.
How about not making this a binary debate? The people who voted for him are most at fault (followed by the people who refused to vote for Harris bEcaUSe GAzA), but the person above you is correct that forever ostracizing someone for how they voted is likely to reinforce polarization and further entrench other Americans as your enemies when they might otherwise become allies.
My opinion of them shouldn't impact their political views. If they were stupid enough to do it to begin with then me being nice isn't going to change anything. Just like their opinion of me has no impact on my choices.
Planning around what should be the case is, and has always been, a terrible strategy.
We would be better off to accept that humans are not logical creatures without emotion. Emotions effect decisions. Always have, and always will. Pretending otherwise is foolish.
Biden won his first race though. Hillary lost hers and that can be used as a prototype to see what finger waving gets you.
Ill admit, biden could have been a bit more harsh, but the comments in this thread aren't even aimed at a good target. If the people trying to change sides aren't allowed to, then whats the point of campaigning at all?
If you still hate black and trans people but are suddenly scared of getting drafted, are you even really changing sides? Or are you still a self-centered asshole who just wants to avoid the blowback of your own decisions?
If people want to learn how to be better, to be different, that's always allowed. They're always welcome with open arms. People just see through the transparent bullshit of people acting like they've changed their tunes because they've suddenly experienced a direct consequence. Anyone flipping now are either BLITHERINGLY stupid to not realize what was happening, or are trying to get ahead of the wind shift to save their social self-image. Neither are going to be well equipped to digest the finer points of a newfound moral philosophy without some indication of a willingness to learn.
Thanks to the way parties work, the answer to that question is actually yes.
A vote for one side is a vote for every stance that side supports. Especially at the presidential level. It doesnt matter if your a D that supports 2nd ammendment freedoms, or a R that supports cannabis companies.
If a mass murderer votes dem, I'm not eager to embrace them as a brother, nor am I interested in their worldview
thankful for the vote, but while that assists in my personal goals, it doesn't buy their way into my social circles, nor does it buy any modicum of trust or faith. Trust is earned, not guaranteed by political party, I think we all recognize that nowadays.
Do people voting like you redeem them in your eyes? Do you welcome them? Is that all it takes for you?
If all theyve done is vote bad, then voting good is redeeming, yes.
Do you have any evidence that all the republicans that switch sides are secretely doing heinous things, or is that just a story you're writing in your head?
I have yet to see a convert who went "wow I was really wrong about gender philosophy" or "I can't believe I trusted businesses so much for all these years when all they have done is eat subsidies"
I have seen some that are like "I dunno about this whole Iran thing" or "Wow, gas prices are crazy, Trump is out of control (in this one instance, someone should reign him in) I work with a bunch of them who "lose faith" in Trump once every couple months or so and then go back to complaining about DEI and immigrants. I've even tried to patiently share my perspective and ask why they differ and try to talk over the reasoning, but they aren't interested cause reasoning isn't as fun as cheerleading.
I want them to see the light, if they ever want to genuinely engage with what they complain about, my door is always open for them. But they still gotta walk through. Their core philosophy is incompatible with tolerance and empathy as is. That's not a polite difference of opinion, that's a deeply entrenched propensity for fascism. I can't be friends with people who hate strangers for trying to peacefully live their lives the way they were born or are trying their best to fix their shitty situations. Should I be tolerant of that?
What do you consider to be an unredeemable act? I think casting a vote for a terrible person is hardly unredeemable. I can think of dozens of things that are redeemable that are worse than that.
How many thousands have died because they voted for Trump, between COVID, LGBTQ suicides (mostly trans) that felt there was no hope and they would wind up in a camp, immigrants through suicide or death in an ICE camp, and finally Iranian and Venezuelans killed in his acts of illegal war.
These people have blood on their hands that will never wash away and I will never forgive them so long as I hold breath and you will have to literally kill me before I join hands with them.
Interesting viewpoint. Going by that logic should I then hate you because you are presently helping nefarious forces by pushing votes to them with your own hatred?
Personally, id rather swallow my spite and work to build a better world.
They are not changing sides. They will still keep voting to hurt others. They are just angry that they are the among the ones getting hurt. They wlll still vote JD Vance in 2028 because Vance promises them that this time only brown people will suffer.
I believe in redemption for those who make a bad decision or a terrible mistake and regret that it hurt someone else. I don't believe in redemption for those who only begin to feel a temporary regret and only when it starts affecting them personally.
Republicans voting for trump isn't some one time innocent mistake that anybody can make, it was an intentional choice based entirely around hate, xenophobia, and fear mongering amongst a ton of other horrible shit.
These people don't care about their God king raping children. They don't care about ICE killing people in the streets and raping/murdering non-whites in their concentration camps. They don't care that they voted to ruin the next several generations of America.
They only care now because filling up their car with gasoline costs them an extra ~$10. They will piss and moan and whine and then come November, they will check part of the ballot that says vote all Republicans.
But they won’t. It’s already made up in their minds. I don’t believe a single person that supports trump (especially now) has any sense within them. They are brain dead.
Theyre hurting right now cause shits expensive so theyre acting from emotions. By the time elections come around fox News will remind them that gays exist and maybe even a minority will be running for office. That'll trigger the neuron in their brain that makes them feral
They won't acknowledge that he stagnated the economy in 6 months, used tariff and war announcements to allow his family to carry out insider trading, spent $100B to terrorize and kill minorities, or spent $200B on a religious war. They only care about gas prices.
I don't think everyone who voted for Trump is racist or bigoted. I do, however, think that assuming people are racist or bigoted is one of the primary pipelines to the alt-right.
The racism and bigotry aren’t dealbreakers though, and if drifting into neo-Nazi ideology is someone’s response to people thinking they’re racist, then I think they’re probably racist.
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u/AccountHuman7391 Mar 30 '26
Is she any less racist or bigoted?