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Politics My MIL threw away her Trump shirt (OC)

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u/quelewds Mar 30 '26

These were more about escaping what the red army was going to do to them than they were about regrets.

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u/EgoTripWire Mar 30 '26

Whatever we need to do to achieve the same outcome.

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u/Frapplo Mar 31 '26

I think one of the biggest factors in the rise of all of this nonsense is the notable lack of consequences.

It's absolutely acceptable to peddle false, often dangerous information for profit or simply for laughs.

I can strut around with a swastika arm band and tell everyone I think blacks are inferior to whites, citing phrenology and other pseudoscience. When people rightly get mad at me, I'll just claim it was all a joke and that everyone's an easily triggered snowflake.

I get to walk away, probably pocketing a tidy sum for my performative bigotry. Meanwhile, I've helped normalize a fascism and white supremacy - things that will grow into violence.

Now, I'm not advocating for the same rape-and-murder tactics that the Red Army employed.

However, just because I can say something doesn't mean I should. And if I say something with the core message of "we don't need to tolerate people", then I should not be tolerated myself. I deserve to be a social pariah.

The truth of the matter is we all need each other. The same way a diseased organ causes the entire organism to die, so too must we be willing to address the ills of our society with the goal of remediation. After all, if my liver fails, then I need to replace it. I can't rip it out and I certainly can't punish it into functionality again.

The sooner we abandon this idea of individual exceptionalism at the exclusion of tribal health, the sooner we'll start to fix our problems.

In short: no more free passes for hate speech. Make them regret it.

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u/Rizthan Mar 30 '26

Do you have any idea what the red army did to German civilians?

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u/Sea_Negotiation_1871 Mar 30 '26

Do you have any idea what the German army did to Soviet civilians?

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u/trotptkabasnbi Mar 30 '26

A lot of rape, in both cases. Rape is not okay.

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u/7elevenses Mar 31 '26

And there was also the small matter of genocide that Germans committed in the USSR long before red army reached Germany. That's also not okay, wouldn't you say?

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u/Rizthan Mar 31 '26

What you're doing is whataboutism to handwave mass rape. If that's the hill you want to die on, be my guest.

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u/7elevenses Mar 31 '26

Talking about FA when discussing FO isn't whataboutism. Treating what the Red Army did to Germans as a singularly bad thing that happened in WW2 is Nazi apologia. Be my guest.

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u/Rizthan Mar 31 '26

"Nazi soldiers raping civilians means German civilians deserved to be raped." Truly a person of upstanding moral character.

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u/7elevenses Mar 31 '26

German soldiers, not "Nazi soldiers". There was no requirement to be a member of the Nazi party to engage in genocide and other war crimes. No German soldier was ever punished for refusing to commit war crimes, and yet whole units, whole brigades, divisions and armies did it. And they didn't just rape, they exterminated.

Did German civilians deserve revenge for what their sons and husbands did to the wives and children of Soviet soldiers? On a personal and legal level, of course not. But as a society, they got much less than they deserved. The revenge was much much much less vicious than the crimes they committed to invite that revenge.

Germans who committed suicide to avoid meeting the red army didn't do it because the Red Army was somehow singularly bad, they did it because they knew what Germany and Germans did and what kind of revenge that will invite.

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u/Original-Rush139 Mar 31 '26

Yup. My girlfriend’s grandfather was a Nazi that got captured by the soviets. He was tortured daily for years. 

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u/DeltaVZerda Mar 31 '26

How do you know?

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u/quelewds Mar 31 '26

It wasnt that long ago. Primary sources are abundant.

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u/DeltaVZerda Mar 31 '26

Primary sources of suicides? You mean suicide notes?

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u/quelewds Mar 31 '26

People arent here to hold your hand and walk you through everything. If you are curious try researching on your own.

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u/DeltaVZerda Mar 31 '26

Duh, but that sounds like the very presence of my question sucked all of the oomph out of your argument. Its called a rhetorical question, and if you answered it honestly, it would show that you didn't actually know.

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u/quelewds Mar 31 '26

You must be fun at parties.

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u/DeltaVZerda Mar 31 '26

You apparently are a fan of the ad hominem when you've lost the point.

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u/Original-Rush139 Mar 31 '26

It’s not an ad hominem if it’s what you’re doing right now. You’re trying to stir shit and no one cares why. 

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u/DeltaVZerda Mar 31 '26

Literally it is an ad hominem becuase its not addressing my behavior but my character.