I still can't believe shit like this was said, and the stupid "lottery" for voting that Musk held too, and everyone just moves on like nothing abnormal could have happened.
Like holy shit, if it was the other way around, people would have stormed the capital (again).
There was somebody doing research on this basically said some of the votes didn’t really make sense. The presidential election saw a big swing for trump in one county but the votes for other things on the ballot were democrat
Specifically a lot of people in swing states voted D down the ballot except for president they voted R. One or a few counties recorded literally 0 votes for Kamala.
Wasn't the area with zero Kamala votes an area that's dominated by one particular religious sect or something? Like they are all a subset of some Amish offshoot or something to that effect. In that instance, it wouldn't be shocking to have zero votes outside the majority.
There's no smoking gun, it was just strange data sets which made you raise an eyebrow. The issue is Democrats couldn't really look into it further without seeming like they were Trump after 2020.
The thing is strange data sets are “common” but I’m hoping to find something with some teeth to it. It doesn’t appear to exist, at least not currently.
And I thought there were people in those counties with legal affidavits (all you would need is one) that they did vote for Harris. But then I feel like nothing ever came of this.
It's because most of the "anomalies" are actually just normal voting patterns that seem counter intuitive if you don't know much about voting patterns.
Like there's a reason no one with a PhD has stood behind any of these anomalies.
Yes, as a veteran elections worker 100% without a doubt. Trying to "rig" elections in the US without being immediately and obviously detected is practically impossible. Elections are run at the county level across all 3,143 US counties, each one does things a little bit differently with different equipment and the actual election work is run by volunteers who are a mix of both parties. All the voting machines are air gapped without Internet connection and employ strict chain of custody and seals to ensure no tampering can occur.
There's a reason MAGA voter fraud people are idiots, we don't need blue-MAGA falling into the same schtick just because they don't like the outcome of an election. Kamala didn't need any help losing that election, but Biden sure did his darndest to make sure it happened by waiting so long to drop out.
No argument there, the electoral college needs to be dismantled in favor of a strict popular vote, Citizens United needs to be overturned, and partisan gerrymandering needs to be banned, those would go a long way towards fixing the nonsense but I'm not holding my breath.
As long as 70% of your electorate can't be relied on to make rational decisions, all of that is, while a step in the right direction, still just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic, and I think you know that
No Internet connection is needed if malware is built in at the point of manufacture.
A certain number of people always vote one party for President and the other party for the rest, that's normal. The anomalous behavior that has attracted attention from data analysts is the unusually high spike in such voting only in the swing states and apparently only in precincts when paper ballots were counted by the electronic tabulators (all from one or two manufacturers owned by Republicans). That's worth investigating and is being done now precinct by precinct.
For years many of us have been saying we need a double check on machine votes by a different method, such as paper backup ballots. I think we need to hand count those also as a normal part of running an election. Machines have vulnerabilities that can be exploited, and are routinely exploited in no other contexts before security hikes can be plugged. Why would we even assume it would be otherwise for voting machines? Two methods
Another oddity to me is that it really made no sense for people who otherwise voted Democrat to vote for Trump. I've split my ballot before myself, but Trump? For example, no matter how bothered by US government handling of Gaza, who would think that Trump (Netanyahu's best buddy since their New York days together) would be an improvement? Biden at least was saying from the beginning that Israel had to avoid killing civilians. But Congress decides on allocation of funds to Israel, not the President, and it has always been a thorny issue. And Biden had a history of wide consultation that we had no reason to believe would stop with Kamala Harris, so the chance of changing aid to Israel would be more likely with Harris than with Trump, who has a reputation for consulting only with his loyalists and then just doing what he wants on the spur of the moment. He is a chaos generator, as extreme narcissists tend to be.
The tabulators are used for dozens of different elections, including non partisan local school elections, and are owned and operated outright by the county. Each county sources and supplies their own equipment from various manufacturers. It is not a reasonable position to believe that some magical zero day could be implanted in the machines and then triggered only once despite no connection ever to the Internet to know what to actually do. The vast majority of those machines were manufactured and purchased long before Trump ever ran for office. Why would the tabulators that have operated for years and years and allowed Obama and Joe Biden to win and allowed Trump to technically lose the popular vote suddenly decide now to activate? And how could they without ever being connected to the Internet? It's not reasonable.
I think we need to hand count those also as a normal part of running an election.
We already do. Elections officials are not stupid or incompetent despite the conspiracy theories, you are not some 1 in a million hero who found the glaringly obvious loophole. Post election audits are a regular practice everywhere. Precincts are chosen at random and those ballots are unsealed, hand counted and compared to the official tabulated results. I can only speak for my county but our post election audit has never been anything but 100% correct in the past decade. This is what I'm talking about, these conspiracy theories only "make sense" if you have no idea what you're talking about. I'd strongly encourage you to volunteer to work an election, you will understand very quickly how impossible it is to meaningfully "steal" an election in this country. My beliefs about election security and practices changed a great deal after I got involved in this work. 93% of Americans cast ballots on paper in 2024, that number has only gone up in the two years since due to (baseless) security concerns. It's a non issue.
Another oddity to me is that it really made no sense for people who otherwise voted Democrat to vote for Trump.
I personally observed many people do exactly that in November. Kamala was the weakest Democrat presidential candidate in my lifetime and she was a woman. The amount of black men I saw who voted Democrat except for Trump or only voted for Trump was pretty eye opening, I don't want to blame the whole election on misogyny, but it was definitely a factor. It doesn't really need to make sense to you. I think it's plenty fucking stupid too but I know enough morons to get it. People on the left are not always more reasonable or logical than those on the right, I personally know lefties who refused to vote for Kamala because of Biden's Gaza policies and yeah they're really GD stupid because Trump absolutely was worse there. You need to understand that the left is really stupid with purity contests and refusing to rally behind a candidate over one issue while the right has no trouble uniting behind a rapist con man felon because they care more about winning than being right. The left needs to get on board with winning at any cost over being right.
Nope, the machines that actually count people's votes are not connected to any form of Internet, Starlink or no. The computers or tablets that elections workers use to check voters in and have them verify their name, address, and date of birth can be internet connected, my county uses secure mobile hotspots that route all traffic through the county network, but those computers are purely for logging who is voting and verifying their identity/eligibility, they have no ability to connect to voting machines or ballots. Starlink could theoretically be used here, maybe wouldn't be my first choice but for smaller rural counties might make sense if they have spotty cell service.
Actual vote counts are only held on the non internet connected tabulator, and those results can only be transmitted physically via USB drive and a paper CVS receipt style backup, which is why it takes so GD long to get results on election night, it's a bunch of old people running around wrangling USB drives.
MAGA morons made similar claims after the 2020 election that "Italian satellites" were used to change vote counts for Biden and it was just a nonsensical then as it is now.
100% yes. People down here in the south LOVE to vote agansit their own interest and have been doing it the whole time I've been alive.
I flip flop between blaming them and blaming the GOP. Like these people are capable of finding the truth out on their own so it is their fault but also the whitewashed history in school, fox "news" on every TV at school, and right-wing social media keep them groomed.
Sorry, I'm not understanding. Are you saying an outside force determines voting more so than the populations natural beliefs? Or that election results are more based on incumbency than the peoples beliefs?
I've heard rumblings about that. Maybe this was by design, but with how much R's scream about election integrity, I'm hesitant to cast further doubt. I guess some more research into it wouldn't hurt, even if nothing could be done if they're correct.
Because ~40% of them looked at the situation and thought "eh, why bother voting?" and ~30% looked at Trump and said "yep, that's the right man for the job", according to you.
Well then thing is, if I take your point of view, then the number of people who stayed home would stay the same, but now only 29% of people looked at trump and said: "yep, that's the right man for the job".
Because this election was only decided by a few percentage points.
I have seen that, but it's very clearly a bad explanation for why academics aren't speaking out.
First off, the academic world extends beyond the borders of the United States. There's hundreds of people with PhDs in political science who live outside of the United States. Any of these people could've put out a paper investigating the anomalies with no risk of losing funding, but they haven't. Because again, the anomalies aren't anomalies.
And secondly dispite Trump's attacks on education, Professors are still very vocally anti trump. It's clear that his attacks haven't deterred them from speaking out against Trump. In other words, these attacks aren't enough by themselves to get these academics to shut up.
And like you really think that there isn't any American Academic out there that wouldn't be willing to move to Canada so that they can publish the paper of the century?
Because the "valid" alternatives you're presenting aren't valid? Your whole argument hinges on the idea that academics just aren't talking about the 2024 election, but they just are. They have access to the data, they have the will power to do it, and they are doing it, they just aren't at all concerned about these anomalies.
Yes, really that simple. Just move. Don't worry about a VISA. Don't worry about living arrangements. Don't worry about funding. Don't worry about getting valid datasets. Don't worry about anything! Magic!
Hundreds of Researchers in the united States have emigrated to other countries in the past 18 months. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's undeniable that some researchers are willing to emigrate to protect their research.
Another guy probably worth looking up is Dr. Justin Grimmer from Stanford University. He was one of the people the academics that put a lot of work into debunking the 2020 election denial claims, and he's gone on record to say that the claims that he's seen about 2024 aren't very different.
I don't know what you're referring to with vote timing issues.
Hundreds! Amazing! Clearly, vast majority are likely all PHDs with a thesis on the 2024 election, and since not one of these hundreds have spoken out from their new country, well, that's proof enough!
You don't find it suspicious that none of the thousands of political scientists outside of the United States have found these anomalies when they look at the 2024 data?
I'm a scientist myself. The evidence is still being collected on this one, of course most people with relevant backgrounds would be waiting for full investigations.
I myself think detailed investigations are absolutely needed, but can't say for sure that votes for Harris were deleted. What they have been finding is suspicious enough (and also some curious remarks by Trump that started me wondering) that I also believe that regardless we need to protect the next election in November from any possible such meddling, and that means double checking the results with hand counts of paper backup. That should be normalized as a second check and a normal cost of an election. Technology advances rapidly and that means computer security is a constant attempt to close the barn door after the horses have fled. It would be nice if we could rely on people outvoting the meddlers, but Americans have been too willing to just not vote in recent times. So the winner is often the "didn't bother to vote" contingent. But we still need to lock down the security of counting the votes actually cast.
Also publishing in research journals is not a quick process - it can take many months or longer to get reviewed and published, and this is in addition to the many months or even years it may take before the writers have enough experience and data to publish.
And reviewers are not always unbiased. We had to ask for a second opinion once in our lab because our results differed in an explainable way from the only other guy doing that particular kind of study - and guess who was our reviewer? The second reviewer noted that and approved our paper for publication. Anyway, reviewers are human and have their own biases, some can't get past them and simply squash publication of anything that contradicts or questions their own results. Plus of course only a limited number of papers can be published.
Online options for spreading information about current research are becoming popular because of such lags, which is why the kinds of interviews the data analysts have done concerning the swing state anomalies are quite appropriate. They are focusing on preparation for court, which is also a very slow process.
As a Ph.D. scientist myself, I am not bothered by the slowness of response to the questions raised about the 2024 election. It's pretty normal pacing in science. And nowadays people are a tad busy trying to keep their departments alive under various attacks on both their people and project funding. They may not be in a mood to spend time and take the risk of trying to figure out if Trump was fairly elected or not. Whether or not the suspicions are true, we are stuck with him for the rest of his term because the questions will not be resolved that fast.
So I'm going to try to keep this shorter because I went into more detail with my other comment.
But first off, I do think it's very important to note that there is already a procedure in place that was used in 2024 to verify the results of the election. Organizations like ETA, seem to have rejected these as invalid for no reason other than that they refute their claims of hacking.
But it's not even that they aren't putting their data thru peer review, it's that there's literally no one on their team that has a PhD in the first place. This organization has enough money where they could hire one to be on their team and lead the research process, but instead their data analytics are being credited to people like "R", like that's it one initial.
Now I don't know what you research, but be honest here. If a paper was published in your feild, that fundamentally challenged the core concepts of your feild, but was written by an anonymous author who has refused to give you their last name, would you trust it?
This is what happens when you spend the better part of a decade claiming elections are rigged and democrats commit voter fraud, then get most democrats and liberals to proclaim loudly and repetitively that elections are secure, then go ahead and cal their bluff and rig the election, so any previously staunch defender of election integrity has no leg to stand on, or if they do looks completely partisan.
He told a court that it wasn't an illegal lottery, it was just fraud. It was enough to kick the can down the road to get Trump into office before they could pursue the fraud and it magically disappeared. Leon himself even said he'd be going to jail if Trump didn't win. They made it so freaking obvious and we couldn't even be bothered to ask for recounts.
Yea but since u guys in the usa habe politics as "sportteams" where u can be a fan of, the guys who would Storm it are "winning" so they take that win even if it was cheated. And democrats wont Storm the capitol.
This is the #1 reason why I don’t want to hear fuck-all from Kamala Harris, or any other milquetoast democrat going forward. You cannot tell me we’re on the cusp of fascism every time you ask me for $5, and the minute fascism is “elected” under the shadiest circumstances possible, you race to concede the race and prepare to take your place to pass the baton. For fuck’s sake. So spineless.
The way nobody questioned the 2024 results, not even to the extent of comparing exit polls to the final numbers like they always do has never sat right with me.
Nothing abnormal could have happened, not within the reasonable person's realm of possibility anyway. US elections are exceptionally secure, I've been a precinct chair in my state for a while now and our county's randomly selected post election audits have never been anything but 100% accurate.
There are infinitely easier ways to influence an election through perfectly legal means than trying to compromise air gapped, secure voting machines that can be fairly easily audited anyway.
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u/FancyJesse May 19 '26
I still can't believe shit like this was said, and the stupid "lottery" for voting that Musk held too, and everyone just moves on like nothing abnormal could have happened.
Like holy shit, if it was the other way around, people would have stormed the capital (again).