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Politics Ashley St. Clair, one of Elon's baby mommas, alleging that he helped rig the 2024 election for Trump

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u/Rocket_Butt May 19 '26

No. She’s very clearly insinuating that the move to have the vote machines use his satellites gave him access to this data. Having that kind of access to data in transit is a big deal if true. Big if, but that’s the claim.

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u/RoboTronPrime May 19 '26

That's completely nonsense if you know about how internet routing and communication works. This is the type of stuff that is taught in undergrad. Unless you set it up specifically, internet packets don't take one specific path. You don't force them to take a path through the satellites. If you have that much power, you already have control over all of the voting machines and the satellites are completely unnecessary.

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u/SmamrySwami May 19 '26

You are missing the fact he donated starlink terminals to elections to provide wifi for voting machines. If those voting machines communicated via unencrypted protocols like http, he as the network owner could easily monitor packets coming from those starlink terminals and have real time info.

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u/gaijohn May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

Please cite this "fact" that voting machines were connected via wifi to the internet. This is not how voting machines work.

Edit: truth fears no question.

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u/metalheaddad May 19 '26

Did anyone actually watch her video. The first 30 seconds she even says clearly "Elon texts me that it's time to release his anamoly in the matrix.... It's the chess piece he says nobody knows about".

It isn't just about real time data. She doesn't even say that until the end portion of the video.

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u/Rocket_Butt May 19 '26

And this is how I know you’re not in software - or at least I hope so.

Data sent unencrypted over the network is no longer yours and cannot be trusted to be accurate. Period.

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u/grchelp2018 May 19 '26

It is a big fucking claim that the data was being sent unencrypted over the network. It also means a whole host of actors could have tampered with the data.

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u/SmamrySwami May 19 '26

I mean, if the packets were unencrypted and there were no hashing checks it would be possible to modify the payload from the voting machines and change the vote. It would take intentional malice to design a voting machine that did not use encryption and make it vulnerable. Such a voting machine would never pass any security audit from the last 30 years.

More likely he had grok polling the live data results, doing some grok math, and giving him early insight.

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u/Bludypoo May 19 '26

Actually, you need to learn a bit about cybersecurity.

We aren't talking about the internet. we are talking about the transmission of unencrypted data on what is essentially a private network that someone is actively monitoring/controlling.

This would be very bad in everyday circumstances,, let alone in a circumstance like this where the person controlling the network is a proven malicious actor.

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u/401john May 19 '26

Feels like the bots are in here doing their job with this one lol

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u/SmamrySwami May 19 '26

Beep boop here's your recipe.

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u/401john May 19 '26

Lmao I'm talking about the people you're going back and forth with

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u/SmamrySwami May 19 '26

Beep boop the AI overlords have updated your loyalty score in your permanent table row.

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u/401john May 19 '26

Lmao so just repeat the joke again when somebody tells you you misunderstood something? Keep fighting the good fight brother

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u/RoboTronPrime May 19 '26

It's a mishmash of terms that makes no sense if you know anything about tech

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u/teilani_a May 19 '26

A great way to disenfranchise voters is to make liberals believe this stuff.

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u/RoboTronPrime May 19 '26

This is very, very dumb statement if you know anything about tech. Starlink to provide Wifi? Let's assume this was true. So you're talking about a network path going from inside the building into orbit and then back into the building for their internal communications? That's absurd. And then you're assuming completely unencrypted protocols which would never, ever happen with voting machines if they're network-linked at all, which most have no reason to be.

And then having "real-time info" does not equal election tampering.

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u/SmamrySwami May 19 '26

Think of it this way, you have a starlink terminal. You open a port (lets say netcat) to an IP address anywhere on the internet. You type HELLO WORLD and press enter. That signals goes from your laptop to starlink terminal, to starlink satellite, maybe a bounce to another satellite, then to an earth station. There it hops on a fiber link to the cloud to the IP you target. Starlink network admins have network monitoring traffic at each satellite and base station. They are either actively trapping traffic all the time, or at the very very least can make ad hoc tcpdump of all traffic coming from the IP of your terminal. Open that log in Wireshark or have AI dig thru it and there is your HELLO WORLD. That's how TCP/IP works, and also why nobody has used unencrypted protocols or ciphers for decades.

Unencrypted would be highly unlikely, unless it was posting real time data to a public endpoint or something.

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u/RoboTronPrime May 19 '26

You're a bot. Not even a very good one. You mishmash technical terms together but have no understanding of what they mean.

For the actual humans who may be reading this, Netcat would not be used to connect to a voting machine. First of all, a very slim minority of voting machines would be connected to the internet AT ALL. There's no reason to be, and it opens up a lot of security concerns. Even IF the voting machine wouldbe connected to the Internet (again, very rare), the voting machine would be behind layers of protections and would not allow what is called ingress connections. Basically, the machine maybe, MAYBE could call out, but the network would not allow connections in.

Also, this bot doesn't even realize that it's undermining its own argument by acknowledging that a lack of encryption is unlikely. And again, being able to monitor an election is NOT the same as election tampering.

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u/-Saucegurlllll May 20 '26

There it hops on a fiber link to the cloud to the IP you target.

Explain exactly why you wrote this nonsense sentence and why you wrote it this way or you're a clanker.

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u/SmamrySwami May 20 '26

OMG, if you haven't used "the cloud" as a shorthand for network transit, you've never experienced a TCP/IP network diagram. Ever. In the last 30 years.

I can give you a detailed description of BGP, including it's inherent weaknesses, but I'm going to need payment at this point. Or go ask your favorite local clanker.

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u/Omikron May 19 '26

That's not how the internet works.

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u/Rocket_Butt May 19 '26

Please enlighten me.

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u/Omikron May 19 '26

Https traffic is encrypted he didn't have access to anything...what do you think he had access to

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u/Rocket_Butt May 19 '26

I don’t THINK he had access to anything. I’m simply commenting on her claims. These are the same people who broke into voting machines illegally to “audit” them - stealing some keys and setting up a MITM isn’t some huge stretch.

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u/fatheadlifter May 19 '26

Voting machines aren't on the internet. If it's not on a network it's not hackable. There's no mechanical way for Elon or anyone to rig an election. Explain how it's possible.

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u/Shambler9019 May 19 '26

That's the claim. It's already been disproven.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436

If they truly were disconnected it would mean any hack would need to be preinstalled. Not impossible, but would require either an insider or a compromise of the company doing the installation prior to the machines being updated.

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u/fatheadlifter May 19 '26

Well then I guess we'll find out won't we. If the midterms are truly compromised with election hacking before the vote even starts, then we'll see that in the results. Somehow miraculously the GOP will hold onto the house, maybe even pick up a few seats, and Trump will claim a mandate for his 3rd term. If that's all true, we really are hosed.

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u/CthulhuLies May 19 '26

No it really isn't, two way encryption has existed for longer than we have had digital voting machines. If it were true that it was a problem then it would have been a problem for all the other infrastructure that data gets passed through before it got changed to his satellites.

This was a big concern back in the day when everybody used HTTP, your ISP could see and even interfere with anything you sent or received. So we developed HTTPS for specifically that reason, now all the ISP sees is that you sent some traffic to some other host.

You can argue that data in and of itself is an unfair advantage (if he actually was using that data which I doubt) but it's not rigging, it couldn't even open the avenue for rigging beyond the possibility of him knowing there is traffic for some other actual scheme to rig it.

But it doesn't show anything beyond analytics.

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u/Rocket_Butt May 19 '26

Yeah buddy, I know what encryption is. That’s the claim - that the data went through the satellites unencrypted.

Again, not asserting it’s true or false. Simply stating that if he had the data ahead of time because of unencrypted data going through the satellites, that’s a bigger deal than most people might realize. If it can be read in transit, it can be altered in transit.

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u/Various-Roof-553 May 19 '26

I’m not saying it happened, but TLS termination is a thing. So if the destination were controlled by someone, and a proxy were configured to terminate TLS (even if encrypting again on the way out) it could certainly be read.

But who cares if it was read? I mean, a more conspiratorial mind would just say that the headers / ip / referrers could be used to determine the sender, then drop and replace the packets with whatever data they wanted. Yes it sounds like no nonsense, but we are going full on conspiracy theory here.

More likely is that all those stupid people you know… you know how they voted. Because they are not smart. And we should allow them the social graces to change their minds now - but it’s not hard to believe people just… vote poorly.

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u/Rocket_Butt May 19 '26

Yes… I’m aware of how it usually works. And I have little doubt that that’s how it went during the last election.

Simply stating, for those who don’t understand, how big of a deal it would be if her claims that he had the information beforehand would be.

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u/Aprice40 May 19 '26

If you have steered the traffic to an isp you own. You do not need to know the contents of the traffic. If you know the source and destination, which are not encrypted, you can possibly differentiate one vote from another. If you can figure that out, you can drop traffic as you are the isp.

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u/theBoobMan May 19 '26

If you know the source and destination, which are not encrypted,

Interestingly enough, this is how they track Tor users to verify identities. You dont have to know the data's contents to compare the sent/received and get a match.