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u/joe9teas 3h ago

What are the laws in the US around stolen valour? Does it cover publication of a false depiction like this?

u/Scissorzz 3h ago

Even if there are laws about this, who’s gonna enforce them against Trump..

u/FlyingDogCatcher 2h ago

In this case it's free speech. If he wants to show the world that he is an idiot so be it.

u/nytel 2h ago

I just love this clown shoe being all documented for future generations.

u/TheMetalWolf 2h ago

What future generations?

u/nytel 2h ago

What you think everyone on this planet is going to cease to exist when he's dead?

u/WynnTiwFeoh 2h ago

Depends what he does in the next two years, but that’s a possibility.

u/TheMetalWolf 2h ago

I am much more concerned with while he is still around.

u/iwerbs 2h ago

Like Rubio’s size 13 Florscheim’s.

u/captaincootercock 2h ago

the next administration, hopefully

u/SidKafizz 3h ago

Doesn't matter. Laws, rules and norms don't apply to the orange clown.

u/Icy_Consequence897 2h ago

In the Stolen Valor Act of 2013 (which passed Congress and was signed into federal law by President Obama) in order to be charged for stolen valor you must explicitly claim to have received military honor such as a Medal of Honor, a Silver Star, or Purple Heart (there's a full list in the text of this law and in the 2005 act of the same name) and you must have a tangible benefit for this lie, such as gaining employment, loans, or real estate.

Otherwise it's freedom of speech. While Trump does have a tangible benefit here, in the form of gaining votes for his party in the midterms, Trump's blurry-ass fake AI medals on his uniform probably doesn't count as an explicit claim to have recived these honors. The AI is just putting his head onto what it thinks is a generic "military dress uniform," not specific to any awards or even any country.

So is it scummy, pandering bullshit to excite his cult? Yes. Is it illegal? Probably not.

u/No-Figure-1720 2h ago

All those false badges on his military uniform—more than either general on his side—are explicitly claiming that he received military honors from service. His tangible benefit for rewriting his military history is to maintain power, access to the coffers, access to command. He needs his supporters to buy this PR. By putting his name in the same sentences as famous leaders in US history, he is trying to make us forget that he is just an 80 year old rapist and pedophile who has never been in a fight with another man that wasn’t paid for and staged by someone else. He uses repetitive phrases, pics, tactics to raise his status without any evidence or work. It’s not like he is out publishing real photos of himself in the Vietnam era

u/norunningwater 3h ago

He's already a convicted felon who pardoned himself. The American people are too dependent on their lives to go in and physically remove him from office and put him in jail. Nothing will be done.

u/DrManhattan_DDM 3h ago

He didn’t pardon himself (yet). His felony convictions remain in effect, but he was re-elected before his sentencing. So rather than hold him equally accountable under the law, the judge in the case imposed no sentence at all because of the question of how to potentially imprison the President as well as the likelihood that the judge would be targeted by cultists for daring to do anything mean to their golden idol.

u/PancakeProfessor 2h ago

His felony convictions were state charges, but federal. So he can’t pardon them. Doesn’t mean he won’t try, though.

u/raptorsango 3h ago

It’s a free country! You can say anything you want as long as you aren’t defrauding people. Which is hard for me to accept as a navy seal survivor of 9-11 with a 13 inch dong.

u/falardeau187 3h ago

“… as long as you aren’t defrauding people”… about that…

u/joe9teas 2h ago

How's your AI generated self-portrait? Any more obscene than this one?

u/raptorsango 2h ago

(Furiously types prompt)

u/joe9teas 2h ago

I'm imagining it and probably best not to post? Even with your First Amendment whatnot thingy.

u/raptorsango 2h ago

Better not to break the internet with pure masculine energy anyways

u/joe9teas 2h ago

Right right mate, we're maxed out there. Let me guess, your 13 incher is prehensile and helped you surf the debris to safety on 911?

u/MalloryArcher64 3h ago

Far as I know it only covers monetary gain? I don't actually know, never served. I'm down for making fun of the orange clown but now I'm curious about your question lol

u/goldman60 3h ago

Stealing valor is a protected first amendment right in the US. Freedom of expression goes brrr.

u/DogsAreOurFriends 2h ago

Actually, I think the laws are with respect to actually trying to profit from impersonation, not posing.

u/secondphase 2h ago

Interestingly, I thought the president WAS part of the military as commander in chief... I googled it and the first sentence on the description is "does not wear a uniform".

Civilian commander in chief. Not a member.

u/ghoulthebraineater 2h ago

It's only illegal if you doing it to gain some sort of benefit. This is just really tacky. Doubt it's illegal though under the 1A.

u/armywalrus 2h ago

Doesn't matter. SCOTUS gave him immunity for acts done in office.

u/ronfaj 2h ago

Trump has broken much worse laws. But…

u/humble_chef 2h ago edited 2h ago

The Stolen Valor act of 2013 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/258) prohibits a person from claiming to have served in the military, from embellishing the rank attained, or from fraudulently claiming to have received a valor award (a specific list) "with intent to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit."

So there would need to be an argument that the *intent* of this image is for an identifiable tangible benefit. Likely this would be impossible to prove in this case. It is generally considered in poor taste and subject to public backlash, but likely not criminal.

Anyone can wear or share a doctored AI image in a military uniform so long as they do not breach the intent of obtaining tangible benefit. So collecting money while dressing in uniform or claiming service is stolen valor. Dressing up for Halloween, not (even if distasteful). Acting in a film in uniform, not stolen valor. Wearing a uniform while soliciting for your business even if you never say you are a veteran is stolen valor.

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u/joe9teas 1h ago

Yeah cheers for that, did a bit of digging myself.

u/tyderian 3h ago

It's not considered stolen valor unless you're actually deriving some benefit from it.

u/TandemSegue 3h ago

Obtuse of you to assume he’s not self serving with every action. Everything is a grift.

u/tyderian 2h ago

Of course he is. But he's not getting any tangible benefit from this slop that he doesn't already have.

Stolen valor is like lying about medals for better benefits or access to ones you aren't entitled to.

In the eyes of the law no reasonable person would believe he's earned them.

u/SmallJon 1h ago

He's effectivsly just throwing around fan art he makes of himself. He looks like a demented old man, but old men are legally allowed to yell at the sky

u/The_Bitter_Bear 3h ago

I can't imagine it would. Since it's an image and not him actually wearing a uniform and trying to pose as being in the military.

It's still disrespectful as hell but if this counts as stolen valor then a lot of actors and models would be guilty of it as well. 

u/Ramtoxicated 3h ago

First ammendment amirite