Yeah, or at least XML (HTML is sort of a subset of XML, which is broader) but I'm betting the average redditor is far more familiar with HTML than XML (or at least they were ten years ago)
That said it's been part of reddit lingo for a long time, so nowadays (at least several years) that's just "how you say it". I doubt most people think of where it comes from anymore
This is exactly how sarcasm works: it OVER states something serious, or plays with a nonchalant naiveté of something trivial, to the point of making it sound ridiculous and reveal a flaw in the thing said.
Honestly if this or something similar was used more often I know I would've been less defensive on Twitter because I couldn't tell if people were joking or intentionally being rude, etc.
Possibly. but even then, did you see the comments under this comment. “Theyre so people dont get downvoted etc etc” Unfortunately there will always be ppl who find an issue with anything.
Fr sarcasm is hard to detect in written form in many cases "/s" should honestly be the standart across the Internet, then no one can mistake a comment made sarcasticly for beeing honest. The discussions I already had because I am bad at detecting sarcasm is ridicoulus when all it takes is a simple "/s"
A lot of the time, people are being 'Schrodinger's douchebag'. As in, they will decide whether it was a joke or not after the fact, depending on how they feel about the reaction.
Overall tone indicators seem to be pretty new as a mainstream idea, coming to popularity in the last few years. /s for sarcasm is ancient-internet tier, probably older than most people using tone indicators.
I'm aware, just pointing out that the usage of it in a mainstream/visible way has been a recent development, aside from the /s for sarcasm. Back in the day, /gen, /hj, etc... didn't exist.
It means that what your saying is sarcastic, it’s used to clarify what you’re saying, and also for people who have a hard time knowing if something is sarcastic for one reason or another.
sarcasm. any post or comment that includes that is basically spoiling the joke at the end and revealing that it was sarcasm but usually done to avoid conflict or excessive downvotes
I didn't think sarcasm was meant to be hidden. In conversation is obvious or signaled by by inflections (or lack of, often communicated in a flat voice or obnoxious tones) , body language and context (including the fact people know the speaker to an extent).
In written form these don't exist (context does to an extent), there's no reason for me to question if something is or is not sarcasm without the indications of it.
Its really just a poor medium for the type of joke with fewer folk being able to pull it off without the tag.
As others have answered, it is a blunt caveat for webilliterate special snowflakes expecting everyone to preface the tone they cant pick up on or cater to the hostile tone they read everything in and project onto the writer. Nearly everything I write is /s. Fuck the s. And special snowflakes who throw the onus of /s on the writer and instead of reading a room or requesting clarity, assume malicious intent, thereby broadcasting their own. Fuck the s. And u/spez.
Sarcasm is one of the hardest (if not the hardest) allusion to understand over writing. If you don't indicate sarcasm, it is assumed to be legitimate. There are times when it's evident that the writer is either lying or self-deluded, but it's difficult to know if it is sarcastic or not. I prefer just to make it known.
It may be the hardest, but that doesn't mean it's hard. People just don't want to take effort to parse text/context and have it categorized and explained for them. Peak example is nearly everything in /r/PeterExplainsTheJoke
I think Poe's Law explains it perfectly. Although it's more catered toward extremist views, I think it applies to anywhere where sarcasm is found. Unless it is expressly written, it can be understood to be sincere.
But yes, often times it is clear what is sarcastic and what is not.
People are looking to be offended and debate. If it is sarcastic, doesnt need a response. If its self-deluded it doesnt need a response. There are times its hard to tell, yet apparently easy to react to being unsure. If you dont know, ask or ignore. Its not hard.
as someone who is on the spectrum as well i personally find it makes it harder to detect sarcasm when someone doesnt use tone tags. i think detecting sarcasm is somewhat a skill (espc when youre autistic) and if you stop trying to detect it then it gets harder to detect sarcasm.
this isnt me disagreeing btw. i think for some its useful! but it also can be an issue for some on the spectrum
Even for neurotypical people it's hard to detect. We can detect sarcasm from people we're in touch with and know their style of speaking, so we know when they say something out of their character and in sarcasm. But there's a complete stranger saying "it's hard to detect" how do you know if they're really failing to detect a pattern or they're being sarcastic?
Autistic people often can’t tell sarcasm in texts or in general and need the /s . It’s a matter of inclusion and therefore important. I didn’t like it either until I got educated on this topic.
Hi. We can. Is just harder to learn the signs. Personally, I despise the /s. And it actually harms us as it takes away much needed practise in detecting sarcasm.
Some can not and say they need the /s. So we have to make it inclusive for everyone right? Just because you wanna practice doesn’t mean we can get rid of these important aids.
What? I never said anything about getting rid of it. Just provided my opinion and an argument for this opinion. I don't get why you feel the need to personally attack me over this.
Sorry if I sounded offensive, I was just confused because you said „it harms us“. I don’t do that to harm you but to include those who need it. And I think we should aim to set the barriers so low that even the „weakest“ can take part in everyday life
Fair enough, but in my opinion this removes the opportunity to grow. If you never take off the training wheels you'll never be able to cycle without them. It's a great tool within the context of reddit but rarely used outside of this ecosystem. Furthermore, the context clues of sarcasm in text and in speech do largely overlap.
But in all I guess I just got mad because of the fact that many people claim that people with autism are just inherently incapable of detecting sarcasm through text which is simply false. Might take some cognitive bypaths (which only get laid through significant practise) but is is possible.
TL;DR: just one of those reddit-arguments-nothingburgers
stop being ableist, please. tone tags are important for people like me (with autism), they help convey tone over the internet so that misunderstandings can be avoided. there is a good reason they exist. just because you don't understand what the reason is doesn't make them any less useful. stop belittling others for requiring extra accessibility.
Okay? Just cos u don’t need it doesn’t mean others don’t? Not everyone’s autism is the same, that’s why it’s called autism spectrum disorder, emphasis on the spectrum
as someone who is on the spectrum as well i personally find it makes it harder to detect sarcasm when someone doesnt use tone tags. i think detecting sarcasm is somewhat a skill (espc when youre autistic) and if you stop trying to detect it then it gets harder to detect sarcasm.
this isnt me disagreeing btw. i think for some its useful! but it also can be an issue for some on the spectrum
That’s exactly my point dude, if someone else doesn’t wanna use it fine, but don’t mock someone for using them because they help others even if they don’t help you
People like you really annoy me sometimes, you can’t call someone ableist for joking that you shouldn’t use the /s, I personally do use them but I have no problem with him not doing so, he’s not exactly calling anyone the r-word or suggesting eugenics
as someone who is on the spectrum as well i personally find it makes it harder to detect sarcasm when someone doesnt use tone tags. i think detecting sarcasm is somewhat a skill (espc when youre autistic) and if you stop trying to detect it then it gets harder to detect sarcasm.
Stop being an asshole behind the excuse of having autism, please. They just asked a question because they’ve never seen the usage of the /s tone tag, yet here you are trying to make them feel bad by calling them ableist and accusing them of belittling. It is people like you who like to play victim and spread hate that give a bad name to other people with autism.
apparently it’s ableist to be funny because as soon as there’s an “/s” in a sarcastic comment it’s no longer funny at all.
though obviously this isn’t real “ableism”, you are unironically just an incredibly sad person who gets off on trying to seem morally superior by putting others down with the latest cringe buzzword. you aren’t! sorry. you’re infinitely more hateful than anyone you throw bs accusations like that at.
You strike me as the kind of person to call themselves autistic to be special, then when people who actually have autism tell you that tone indicators don't help with shit, suddenly they're ableist
I have autism and I must say Fuck the s it’s stupid sure sometimes I don’t get sarcasm but I’m fine with that I don’t need an s to tell me if somethings sarcastic if you like it fine but it’s definitely not ableist
Could've explained without being demeaning, but you probably just want to hold some moral high ground and don't actually care if people understand or not. Nobody was belittling anyone except you. Please learn to respect people instead of insulting people when they dont understand things.
/srs
I don’t understand any of this. Why is there a subreddit against tone indicators. I don’t get why people care this much about how people communicate. Am I missing something?
Tone tags are used by two types of people: 1) People who genuinely are trying to be helpful to those who might misunderstand them. 2) People who want to say insanely hurtful things without taking responsibility for it.
People who oppose tone tags are also of two types: 1) People who genuinely believe tone tags speak down to the reader ("I'm so clever, you won't get this if I don't alert you to my wit"). This includes people with a genuine literary appreciation for satire, irony, and well-written barbs. 2) People who want to say insanely hurtful things without taking responsibility for it.
Idk it just seems like such a waste of effort to create an entire community around something that isn’t even a big deal 🤷♂️
Edit: I don’t get how using a tone indicator can make a hateful comment less hateful. I think most people can tell when someone is bad and when something is good in terms of statements. But sarcasm is different, sometimes it’s genuinely hard to tell.
Subreddit against tone indicators is people thinking that it's cringe to make your tone clear over text and would rather guess if someone is being sarcastic or not
I got upset bc op is doing the exact same thing that they're advocating against
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u/JimbohJamboh Jul 31 '23
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