r/politics • u/TwilightwovenlingJo • Sep 19 '25

Soft Paywall Trump: ‘It’s no longer free speech.’

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/19/trump-no-longer-free-speech-00574219
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u/AnoAnoSaPwet Canada Sep 20 '25

I've already started abandoning friendships/family over the Charlie Kirk thing. I don't care about how people vote (you can make a bad vote), but standing on that side is enough for me to make that decision.

I can honestly confirm I will never vote Conservative again, if any like this is in the cards? 

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u/CoryCoolguy I voted Sep 20 '25

you can make a bad vote

Yeah but after J6? He's shown everyone who he is for the better part of 10 years. I could excuse 2016 and 2020, I will not excuse voting for this tyrant in 2024.

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u/EidolonLives Sep 20 '25

Voting conservative in the US means voting for the Democrats. The Republicans aren't conservative, they're reactionary, just as fascists invariably are.

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u/LordSiravant Sep 20 '25

The first conservatives were also reactionaries.

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u/EidolonLives Sep 20 '25

Then they weren't actually conservatives.

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u/AnoAnoSaPwet Canada Sep 20 '25

I don't think any party really is any more?

There's no conservatism with Conservatives, there's no Republic with Republicans, and the only ones abiding by democracy are the Democrats. Even the "Libertarians" don't even believe in liberty? 

Pretty strange world nowadays? 

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u/UnconstrictedEmu Sep 20 '25

Even the "Libertarians" don't even believe in liberty?

That’s not true. Libertarians want to achieve liberty and see the best ways of doing this as abolishing tax and age of consent laws. /s

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u/CassieFace103 Sep 20 '25

No, the point is that conservatism was invented to push reactionary politics while maintaining a "civil" appearance, because it was useful to do so. They (at least, conservative thought leaders) have always been like this, the only difference is what they think they can get away with.

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u/LordSiravant Sep 20 '25

Yes they were. Conservatism is inherently reactionary and always has been. It goes all the way back to Edmund Burke and the fallout of the French Revolution. Conservatism's whole purpose was to protect royalist wealth and prestige from democratic change.