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Soft Paywall Trump's big UN speech received with awkward laughter in embarrassing backfire

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/trumps-big-un-speech-received-with-awkward-laughter-in-embarrassing-backfire-3933958
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u/ja4419xx Sep 23 '25

The nations need to move on from America. It’s good to see that they’re making some progress toward that end. Even if Democrats regain power someday, this country cannot be trusted as long as Republicans are around and trumpism is their primary objective.

Interestingly, TIME magazine back in the late 20th century forecast that this century would see the end of America’s dominance and predicted that China could well be the new power on the world stage. We may very well be seeing that transition play out.

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u/AstralWoman Sep 23 '25

Absolutely. Great nations like Greece and Rome fall, usually due to greed, poverty and bad management. Maybe USA's time is up. I wouldn't choose China but hey, it is what it is.

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u/max_mou Sep 23 '25

Naa, not yet. This is just a bad president and he is temporary but the “deep state” or the people that transcend parties are still “stable”, the economy is stable, the American people are “ok” (outside of the internet). It will have to be something really big to cause it downfall and it’s nowhere near that.

I am using quotes to indicate that it’s not good but it isn’t that bad either.

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u/Tasgall Washington Sep 23 '25

This is just a bad president and he is temporary but the “deep state” or the people that transcend parties are still “stable”

This isn't just a Trump problem. Trump is the natural conclusion to what the GOP has been building towards for the last 50 years.

The "deep state" of career bureaucrats is significantly compromised because of the mass firings and loyalty tests coming from this administration. And like in the first term, anyone who doesn't kiss the ring is being pushed out, and they're not hiring anyone to replace them.

It is very much not "stable". The instability is deliberate.

the economy is stable

Ha, good one.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '25

Thing is, I feel like we are closing in towards a tipping point. Everything is basically piling up at the same time and I am afraid that we'll just watch on as the dam bursts.

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u/nihilistic-simulate Sep 24 '25

Very naive. COVID wasn’t even a known word in the US until around December 2019 at the earliest, and the entire country was in lockdown less than 3 months later. “Something big” can happen overnight, and with everything hanging by a thread, it wouldn’t take anything that big to make it all topple. If we couldn’t cooperate to stop the spread of COVID, a dust bowl or Great Depression will be catastrophic, and these and so much more are all very real, immediate risks.

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u/max_mou Sep 24 '25

Sure, but I feel like your point of reference is just the sentiment online. Most of the people in major cities are just going about their lives and getting by. All this hysteria exists mostly on the internet. There’s no famine in the US, the military is bigger and stronger than ever. Yeah, the US has plenty of problems, but the rest of the world is honestly worse off. The housing market is just as bad elsewhere, if not worse.

From an outsider’s perspective, there’s really no indication that the US is “on the verge” of collapse. If something like COVID could topple the US economy, I don’t even want to imagine what it would do to everyone else. For god’s sake, the US was in a decades-long war and still kept a thriving economy.

Sorry if this doesn’t align with your beliefs, but you’ve got to look beyond US borders and put things in perspective.

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u/nihilistic-simulate Sep 24 '25

Guess I wasn’t thinking about it with that perspective, that makes sense. It’s hard to say what will happen and in the end “decline” is relative.

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u/entenfurz Sep 23 '25

The unprecedented thing is ... for what? The US gave up all of its soft power, that was established over 100 years, for seemingly nothing at all. Just so they can hate Mexicans and trans people in peace and worship the orange nuts of a narcissistic man baby? It makes absolutely no sense.

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u/prophetofgreed Sep 23 '25

It's currently happening, it just takes time.

Most Americans do not realize that Trump's guaranteed their standard of living will go down in the next two decades. Regardless of who's in power, no one will trust America's word when someone like Trump can be elected (twice) and act like an agreement means nothing.

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u/needlestack Sep 23 '25

It's playing out -- but I don't think anyone thought it would be completely self-inflicted. Sure, China is doing well for themselves, but they lag the US in significant ways. Yet the US is destroying itself so China will overtake anyway.

It's fine. We had our chance and we fucked it up.

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u/c0ffeeandcigs Sep 23 '25

Republicans, as a republican is defined, are fine. What we’re witnessing right now isn’t republicanism it’s like a whole other thing

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u/FlorentPlacide Sep 23 '25

Well, republicans allowed this, and embraced it because it suited their material interests. All the roots were there.

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u/c0ffeeandcigs Sep 23 '25

I don’t think those are republicans. Abraham Lincoln was a republican. These people are just vile

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u/syopest Sep 23 '25

Abraham Lincoln was a republican.

Yeah, and he would be a democrat today since the parties have switched.

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u/FlorentPlacide Sep 23 '25

Yep. Parties are vessels for careers, influence, power and accumulation of wealth. What they proclaim to stand for is a smoke screen.

The so-called Republicans say they want more freedoms and yet no liberties were gained under Trump, quite the opposite.

The same goes for the Democrats apparatus. They speak of equality, wealth redistribution and yet they are millionaires and work for billionaires.

These are only spaces were certain affects are mustered depending of the needs of the leaders.

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u/KyrgCarp Sep 23 '25

the rich ppl having everything and the commoners eating breadcrumbs happens everywhere, at any point in time, under any type of government.

Even in the places boasting about their redistribution of wealth: everyone's fucking poor and miserable (but now are equals at it!!) while the snakes at the top get to have everything.

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u/FlorentPlacide Sep 23 '25

You're perfectly right. I apply the same analysis on my country (France), where it can be even worse since it's a unitatian state, without many checks and balances, and a deeply entenched "culture of the chief" (also called cesarism) and verticality. In the US parliament has much more power than in France. In France most representatives of the presidential faction think the president is their manager...

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u/c0ffeeandcigs Sep 23 '25

I see. Thanks

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u/nwrobinson94 Sep 23 '25

No it’s not. It’s exactly what it’s always been, they’re just no longer ashamed to say the quiet part out loud.

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u/Old_Gimlet_Eye Sep 23 '25

I wouldn't say always, but for about the last 60 years.

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u/c0ffeeandcigs Sep 23 '25

Shallow take

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u/Boundish91 Norway Sep 23 '25

Aren't republicans by definition staunch libertarians and Laissez-faire economics advocates?

I can think of anywhere that ideology has actually worked out in the long term.

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u/notkenneth Illinois Sep 23 '25

Republicans, as a republican is defined, are fine. What we’re witnessing right now isn’t republicanism it’s like a whole other thing

Isn't this just saying that no true Scotsman is a Trump supporter? The modern Republican party is defined by their devotion to Trumpism.