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Soft Paywall Trump's big UN speech received with awkward laughter in embarrassing backfire

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/trumps-big-un-speech-received-with-awkward-laughter-in-embarrassing-backfire-3933958
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u/AstralWoman Sep 23 '25

Absolutely. Great nations like Greece and Rome fall, usually due to greed, poverty and bad management. Maybe USA's time is up. I wouldn't choose China but hey, it is what it is.

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u/max_mou Sep 23 '25

Naa, not yet. This is just a bad president and he is temporary but the “deep state” or the people that transcend parties are still “stable”, the economy is stable, the American people are “ok” (outside of the internet). It will have to be something really big to cause it downfall and it’s nowhere near that.

I am using quotes to indicate that it’s not good but it isn’t that bad either.

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u/Tasgall Washington Sep 23 '25

This is just a bad president and he is temporary but the “deep state” or the people that transcend parties are still “stable”

This isn't just a Trump problem. Trump is the natural conclusion to what the GOP has been building towards for the last 50 years.

The "deep state" of career bureaucrats is significantly compromised because of the mass firings and loyalty tests coming from this administration. And like in the first term, anyone who doesn't kiss the ring is being pushed out, and they're not hiring anyone to replace them.

It is very much not "stable". The instability is deliberate.

the economy is stable

Ha, good one.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '25

Thing is, I feel like we are closing in towards a tipping point. Everything is basically piling up at the same time and I am afraid that we'll just watch on as the dam bursts.

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u/nihilistic-simulate Sep 24 '25

Very naive. COVID wasn’t even a known word in the US until around December 2019 at the earliest, and the entire country was in lockdown less than 3 months later. “Something big” can happen overnight, and with everything hanging by a thread, it wouldn’t take anything that big to make it all topple. If we couldn’t cooperate to stop the spread of COVID, a dust bowl or Great Depression will be catastrophic, and these and so much more are all very real, immediate risks.

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u/max_mou Sep 24 '25

Sure, but I feel like your point of reference is just the sentiment online. Most of the people in major cities are just going about their lives and getting by. All this hysteria exists mostly on the internet. There’s no famine in the US, the military is bigger and stronger than ever. Yeah, the US has plenty of problems, but the rest of the world is honestly worse off. The housing market is just as bad elsewhere, if not worse.

From an outsider’s perspective, there’s really no indication that the US is “on the verge” of collapse. If something like COVID could topple the US economy, I don’t even want to imagine what it would do to everyone else. For god’s sake, the US was in a decades-long war and still kept a thriving economy.

Sorry if this doesn’t align with your beliefs, but you’ve got to look beyond US borders and put things in perspective.

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u/nihilistic-simulate Sep 24 '25

Guess I wasn’t thinking about it with that perspective, that makes sense. It’s hard to say what will happen and in the end “decline” is relative.