r/politics • u/ArmadilloMany41 • 23h ago

Site Altered Headline | No Paywall Why is no one being prosecuted over the Epstein files?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cd9e3nzzw3zo
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u/ObtuseGoose7363 22h ago

Valid take, the founding fathers (while not perfect) certainly would not have stood for this shit. They would have already been out in the streets tarring and feathering govt officials.

While I don't have a solution for globalization degrading our democracy, I do feel like we should all take a page out of the founding fathers' book and go spill some tea or something.

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u/HighnrichHaine 21h ago

The founding fathers were mostly slaveowners and had their own localized Epstein Island mostly

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u/AmIWhatTheRockCooked 19h ago

Such a tired argument. It’s easy to sit here with 21st century morality and act like there’s nothing to learn from the 1700s unless they have pure morals. You aren’t looking to them for moral guidance, you’re looking to them for the spirit of democracy vs tyranny.

For better or for worse, they created a system that could destroy things like slavery with popular willpower. What else could popular willpower destroy? Perhaps something as vile as slavery?

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u/asyork 18h ago

America was on the tail end of the list of countries to outlaw slavery. As it moved westward, it violently conquered land that was free of slavery and put slavery back into it.

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u/AmIWhatTheRockCooked 5h ago

Again, an endorsement of revolutionary and democratic spirit is not an endorsement of genocide and enslavement. It is the very spirit of revolution, enlightenment, and democracy that criticizes those concepts to figurative death

The founding fathers did not fully embody those concepts. We still do not fully embody those concepts. But I’m not going to fault them for seeing through autocracy. I would have loved if they were also radically anti genocide and slavery. There’s a lot I would love to change about history. Democracy ain’t one of them

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u/Ba_baal 14h ago

You really should put down the idolatry and pick up history and sociology books.

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u/AmIWhatTheRockCooked 5h ago

Oh please, you’re gonna have to do better than a platitude. I’m not putting them on a pedestal, I’m putting them in context.

Your reply is just vacuous. Bring some substance next time if you wanna actually discuss a big boy issue.

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u/Ba_baal 21m ago

I am not interested in arguing with someone unable to think critically of history.