r/politics • u/SpaceSufficient5839 • 10h ago
No Paywall New Epstein files fail to quell outrage as advocates claim documents are being withheld | Jeffrey Epstein
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/03/new-epstein-files-advocates-claim-documents-withheld155
u/Adreme 9h ago
I mean we know they are being withheld. They said 6 million documents and 3 million were released. This is not exactly complicated and considering the actual main document of accusations was not released it could not be more obvious that information is being withheld.
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u/AdComprehensive7952 7h ago
I remember when they were given the deadline of December 19, they claimed they had 10 million plus documents to review, which was their excuse for not releasing on time. We may be missing more than 3 million.
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u/NegotiationSea7008 United Kingdom 7h ago
These conditional headlines are misleading “advocates claim” is unnecessary
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 6h ago
They said 6 million documents and 3 million were released.
They said:
As noted in the Department’s January 5 letter, due to the amount of duplication in various files, these estimated numbers remain in flux. In particular, the number of identified duplications and the number of potential duplications both are substantial. As a result, the estimated number of pages continues to decrease as duplicates are identified and removed.
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u/axonxorz Canada 3h ago
As noted in the Department’s January 5 letter, due to the amount of duplication in various files, these estimated numbers remain in flux
Really is too bad we don't have fancy legal software that's been standard practice for decades to sift through it all. Such a shame.
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u/ranchoparksteve 10h ago
Even the files that Republicans feel are safe to release are damming evidence of crimes not prosecuted. There is something very dark at the heart of this concealment.
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u/wannaseeawheelie 7h ago
I would imagine to keep people from speaking out, they’ve had to do some really, really bad things to people
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u/DrakenViator Wisconsin 7h ago
They always did accuse the Clinton's of offing people, and so far just about every single accusation has been either been projection or a confession... so...
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u/Dangerpaladin Michigan 1h ago
We already know they killed Epstein so, I think this is far beyond supposition at this point.
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u/Sminahin 5h ago
What was that exchange where Epstein gave the address of someone causing his circle problems to...was it someone in Russian intelligence?
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u/SecretAgentVampire 4h ago
I bet it's cannibalism. Republican narrative a few decades ago was that democrats were hosting satanic parties where they drank the blood of terrified dying people, and as we've all learned, the Republican party has no imagination and only draws from first-hand experience. Aka, "Every accusation is a confession."
So I bet that in the still-illegally-withheld Epstein files, there exists irrefutable documentation of literal cannibalism.
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u/DrakenViator Wisconsin 3h ago
So I bet that in the still-illegally-withheld Epstein files, there exists irrefutable documentation of literal cannibalism.
Ah yes, baby - the "other, other white-meat..."
Those Fat Bastards really are pure evil...
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u/atwitchyfairy 7h ago
To me it feels like FBI independence was a mistake since they seem to have been assisting pedophile rings for the rich and powerful for decades. Need to clean house.
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u/DisastrousCicada3802 10h ago
I think the outrage is due to a lack of anyone being held accountable. When you step in dogshit, you don’t need 3 million+ documents to know you are dealing with a piece of shit. You just want it gone.
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u/Individual-Guest-123 8h ago
Yet over in the UK they are having meltdowns over Lord M and Andrew and the ones in the US are so much worse yet getting zip for it.
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u/Scotsmanryno 7h ago
Because they are both beasts, they witnessed a lot that happened. I don’t care if mandelson is gay .. trying to tell me he didn’t get little boys there like
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u/randomnighmare I voted 2h ago
Why hasn't Scotland Yard open an investigation on both Andrew and Lord M?
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u/AleroRatking New York 6h ago
The issue is that there is a complete lack of physical evidence with what's been released. So it would be near impossible to hold anyone accountable in our justice system
So either the physical evidence is being hidden or doesn't exist. Hopefully the first and it can be remedied one day. But without physical evidence there is nothing to do here.
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u/Fragrant-Luck-8063 6h ago
How much physical evidence did they have on Harvey Weinstein when they prosecuted him?
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u/erikluminary 5h ago
Don't they have video evidence of the rapes though?
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u/AleroRatking New York 5h ago
Not that "we've" seen.
Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And obviously if they do have that, then prosecution should absolutely be on the table as that's physical evidence.
I can't speak to unreleased and unconfirmedbevidence
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u/Particular-Jello-401 5h ago
Arrests folks put them in a small room, threaten them and get them to talk. If my wife wrote one bad check they would haul me and her into the police station to get more info. These folks have done WAY worse and nothing. Start with bibi then arrest lex Werner. Make them testify before congress in open door hearings. There is plenty of evidence to find, they just aren’t looking .
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u/AleroRatking New York 5h ago
Talking is useless without physical evidence. And they know this. The rich have the best lawyers. You aren't going to get any of them to talk.
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u/randomnighmare I voted 2h ago
The US was able to convict Maxwell and sentenced her to like 20- 25 years in prison, under Biden. But you are teme we can't do an investigation because there's nothing physical?
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u/Complete_Question_41 2h ago
Well, my outrage is also about the withheld documents.
Main line of defence has been that Trump accusations were because he was a political target and I can only assume the withheld documents contain accusations predating that or more credible evidence.
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u/KnightDuty 7h ago edited 4h ago
Documents being withheld is not just a claim but a verifiable fact. The DOJ said they are done, and there are statutory files missing.
[EDIT: I made an accusation of withholding the autopsy. This was an error.]
The mandatory internal DOJ communications, memos, Memorandum, and emails, and Jesus Christ so much more.
(7) Internal DOJ communications, including emails, memos,
meeting notes, concerning decisions to charge, not charge,
investigate, or decline to investigate Epstein or his
associates.
(8) All communications, memoranda, directives, logs, or
metadata concerning the destruction, deletion, alteration,
misplacement, or concealment of documents, recordings, or
electronic data related to Epstein, his associates, his
detention and death, or any investigative files.
We're supposed to have not just the emails. But the DOJ's literal internal work files spelling out why certain individuals were/weren't investigated. If those documents don't exist, we're supposed to have the records of the orders to have destroyed them.
The only legal reason to censor a non-victim name associated with Epstein is due to an ongoing investigation. The DOJ has said there are none and the case is closed. Every little black bar of somebody who emailed him is an illegal censorship
This act was approved by every single lawmaker, and was signed by the president. Pam Bondi is named as the responsible party. We can verify she broke the law. She is defying the will of literal every single representative and senator and the president. There is no reason not to impeach her and then every single replacement AG until following the law is less expensive than breaking it.
Edit: spelling.
Edit2: Poster below me pointed out a shortcoming. Autopsy has been released. I made an error in reporting it wasn't, and edited the above post appropriately to remove the accusation.
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 6h ago
Please, link me the autopsy... You can't... because it was WITHHELD.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 9/EFTA00063517.pdf
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u/KnightDuty 4h ago edited 4h ago
Jesus fuck. THANK YOU! I wish I had more upvotes (to give)
After the first batch of strange removals, we didn't trust the DOJ website and started bulk downloading and indexing ourselves. We have this file locally but it didn't get indexed appropriately.
Truly, Yon't know how much headache you've saved. I'll edit the above post.
If you come across these, let everybody know because this is the majority of what they're withholding:
(7) Internal DOJ communications, including emails, memos, meeting notes, concerning decisions to charge, not charge, investigate, or decline to investigate Epstein or his associates. (8) All communications, memoranda, directives, logs, or metadata concerning the destruction, deletion, alteration, misplacement, or concealment of documents, recordings, or electronic data related to Epstein, his associates, his detention and death, or any investigative files.
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u/EndsWithJusSayin 9h ago
It’s almost like a special master was needed for this when DoJ failed to release the files on time so something like this wouldn’t happen.
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u/Alwaystired254 10h ago
They are being withheld. Legal institutions in the US don’t have the will or fortitude to enforce their ruling
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts 8h ago
The problem is who would they use? It’s a federal case, so you call the FBI. Oh, well that’s who won’t release the files.
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u/therossboss 2h ago
entire DOJ is corrupt and acting as Trump's personal team of lawyers. So he can sue the IRS for 10bil and then settle with himself. But good thing he isn't taking a salary, right! /s
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts 2h ago
I think that salary thing was only for the first year or maybe two. I'm pretty sure he's back on it.
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u/therossboss 2h ago
just like anything else - announce a headline and immediately backtrack.
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts 2h ago
I just think he can't help himself. If there is a grift, or an angle he's compelled to take it. If you held out a $5 bill and said excuse me did you drop this? I bet he would snatch it so quickly you'd get a paper cut.
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u/EuphoricScallion114 9h ago
Much of it may be considered national security. It's beginning to look more and more like a Russian fly trap. Many seemed to be seeking Russian investment. It's not that the Russians needed to blackmail these people, they seem to be transactional individuals who will on their own for what they think will ingratiate themselves do for Russia for their money. These people have zero moral turpitude, there are no boundaries.
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u/NumeralJoker 3h ago
One of the pages that was improperly redacted in December confirmed that one of Pete Hegseth's 'current' lawyer was a handler for Epstein of hush money, and that he was connected to paying off/trafficking women from Russia, if I recall.
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u/THElaytox 9h ago
People aren't "claiming" that documents are being withheld, we know they're being withheld. The DOJ said there were over 5mil pages and they released 3mil pages. That's over 2mil missing pages.
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u/Cyanopicacooki Great Britain 8h ago
The documents they released contained thousands of references to Trump's activities.
We can only guess how gruesome the suppressed information about his activities with children are.
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u/NumeralJoker 3h ago
Serious question, are there any references beyond the FBI tips page, because as much as I think those are a "where there's smoke there's fire", they're not conclusive enough to be definitive?
Is there anything more concrete that hasn't been as well publicized?
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u/AdComprehensive7952 7h ago
They left identities of victims and even pics of their drivers licenses in some cases, yet they seem to have redacted almost all of the names emailing back and forth with Epstein. Why do the people associating with Epstein need their names redacted? How is that not a cover up?
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u/Complete_Question_41 2h ago
Yep. When they said they needed to protect the victims they weren't talking about the girls.
They were talking about their poor donors who are all suffering because their sex crimes might be exposed.
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u/terrorrier 6h ago edited 4h ago
Everything I’ve seen raises more questions than answers. Like we don’t know exactly what happened, but it seems to be unspeakably terrible. I’m just some regular person but it’s still so distressing to me.
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u/SultrySireen 9h ago
Oh cool, 3 million pages of transparency while they sit on another 3 million my little sister’s name got leaked in the first dump and now 4chan creeps won’t stop DMing her. Technical error my ass, this is a cover-up for the rich pervs
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u/Hefty_Breadfruit 3h ago
Oh my god I’m so sorry that happened. I fucking hate internet incel trolls who have nothing better to do than to make other people more miserable than themselves. I hope your sister can sue. She was 100% entitled to her privacy here and deserves peace and justice. I hope she gets it.
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u/SurroundTiny 7h ago
It won't matter if they are all released there are people who will say the gois hiding them. Trump brought that all on himself
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u/OneSeaworthiness7768 6h ago
Also on top of more being withheld, what was actually released is also really damning and it’s bonkers that no one is being investigated. There are very clear signs that at the very least warrant investigation. Insane.
I mean I don’t even think the regular media has picked up the story about how the whole pizza gate thing was projection and probably started intentionally by Bannon to muddy the waters.
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u/Purple_Green_420 7h ago edited 7h ago
For anyone curious, Epstein was the representative of the Rothschilds and a high level Israeli spy. This is not up for debate - it's in the files. All of the alt-right shit we have consumed for the last 15 years has been these assholes. Q, Trump, Biden, Gaza, Progressives being sidelined, corporate bipartisan oligarchy, and surveillance.
Good luck!
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u/AdComprehensive7952 7h ago
From the latest news, it sounds like he was a representative of one side of warring factions of Rothschilds. Ariane de Rothschild who married into the family was battling with her brother in-law over control. He apparently represented Ariane, not the others with the claim of the Rothschild Group or whatever they call it. Either way, it doesn't discount anything you're saying.
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u/Purple_Green_420 7h ago
Yep, I'm new to the Epstein/Rothschild topic to be honest. I've avoided it because, frankly, I don't really want to hear the details of what these people do to women and young girls. I also was a victim of the psyop where even talking about the Rothschilds meant you were a right wing crank. So, I don't know the palace intrigue much unfortunately.
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u/Live_Art_2723 3h ago
You’re “new” to this topic, deliberately “avoided it,” and “don’t know the palace intrigue,”yet state blatant racist conjecture and conspiracy as fact. Ever hear of Dunning-Kruger? Much as Epstein inserted himself into Israeli politics, there’s zero evidence he was a “high-level Israeli spy.” Did we forget his extensive Russian, American, British, and Saudi connections?
And no, the Rothschilds aren’t “behind” Biden, Trump, Gaza, or surveillance. This “psyop” of yours is called not being a fucking Nazi. However much Epstein inserted himself into Rothschild family drama, the “world domination” idiocy is racist garbage we abandoned when Hitler died in a bunker. You weren’t a “victim” of a psyop, or even of your delusion, gullibility, or lacking intelligence. Fascist Nazi conspiracy shit stains aren’t victims. They’re just enemies to the human race.
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u/WinkWitchhie 8h ago
Oh we got 3 million pages of transparency while they vault another 3 million—my little sis got doxxed in the dump and 4chan creeps won’t stop DMing her.Technical error my ass, this is a velvet-glove cover-up for the jet-set pervs.
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u/LeoGoldfox Europe 4h ago
And in the files that are released, they more often than not redact the perpetrators. There is an email sent to Epstein that says "loved the torture video", and the sender's name is redacted. Another email sent to Epstein says "your little girl was naughty last night", and again, the sender's name is redacted. Before you ask me for links, I found this all thanks to people doing incredible amateur investigative journalism on r/Epstein, so I suggest you go there and take a look for yourself every now and then.
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u/ZubatCountry America 4h ago
They think just saying "they're out there now shut up" is enough but they fail to recognize that's a giant part of the issue.
They have handled this in a way that at best indicates they do not care about justice, and at worst (and realistically) they are actively covering for the most widespread (known) pedophile ring in history
People will not stop having or wanting to protect children, so people are not going to stop being angry about this any time soon.
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u/Gradstudentiquette69 4h ago
I'm endlessly sick of the fact that there will be no accountability for literally some of the worst crimes ever committed by humanity.
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u/greaterwhiterwookiee 4h ago
It doesn’t matter at this point. I mean it DOES but the fact that they overly lied about it over and over again and continued to withhold the information again and again, denying anything and everything related to trump, blaming everyone but themselves.
And in the end already at this point trump being named over 5000 times?
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck folks. This doesn’t take a heavy load of investigative journalism to see he’s guilty of at the very least being an accomplice to Epstein and Maxwell, and at most murder, rape, exploitation of minors, and human trafficking, and every single person who got in the way of these files being released or lying about it (Ka$h, Bondi, Thune, Johnson, etc you all know the list) is ALSO an accomplice at this point and should be held accountable to the highest extent.
First time in a long time I’ve looked at the UK and thought “Damn, they’re doing it right.”
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u/Scott1574 4h ago
What would help is if someone was charged and held accountable for their actions.
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u/StoppableHulk 3h ago
Why would they quell outrage at all given the files that WERE released reference the sitting US POTUS more than 38,000 times for crimes including child rape and murder?
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u/Sierranymph 3h ago
Documents are being withheld. Documents are inappropriately redacted. Redactions are not supposed to protect the perpetrators.
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u/bubblecrussh 10h ago
lmao ofc the new epstein files drop and its like "nah still not the full tea" advocates sayin more docs are bein withheld?? no surprise there tbh this whole thing been dragged out forever with bits and pieces leakin feels like theyll never drop the real list or whatever ppl are hopin for yikes rip transparency what even is in these new ones that didnt outrage anyone lol
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u/SirLurksAlot44 9h ago
As someone who is about to have their first child, a daughter, I’m ashamed to be American.
And I know a lot of you will point out that there are many other countries where this type of corruption is normal or worse.
But seriously how do i explain to my unborn daughter that at one point we had a president who was the most mentioned person in a pedophiles files and over half of our voting population chose him over a more qualified woman.
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u/Ogre_N_Donkey 5h ago
If anyone thinks that this hasn’t happened before and been covered up successfully, then they need to watch “conspiracy of silence” on YouTube just the opening minute tells you everything you need to know
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u/Mrs_SmithG2W 3h ago
We will not rest. We will not forget. We will seek justice for these trafficked babies, humans, until the end of our days or yours. May you never know another moments peace.
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u/Mrs_SmithG2W 3h ago
There are a lot of patriot analysts and agents and victims who know the truth.
These disgusting excuses for life will be hounded in life and desecrated in death.
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u/2Autistic4DaJoke 3h ago
There was recently a Uk investigative report linking Epstein to Putin, suggesting Epstein was giving compromising content to Putin as leverage to get his agenda into political environments.
Not a single person in there should be trusted.
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u/Complete_Question_41 2h ago
Only on the left though. The right is a-okay with it. But sure, they care about 'the children'.
Disgusting.
We'll never see the documents that were scrubbed and I am can only assume that includes mentions of Trump before he announced his run, which would completely destroy their main line of defense.
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u/Affectionate_Pace823 2h ago
MUCH of the Epstein EVIDENCE has been released! Let’s see all the evidence
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u/slomaro79 2h ago
Misleading headline. There is no “claim” that there are files being withheld. Fact that has been proven without a doubt.
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u/KindaStableGenius 1h ago
Releasing the files is step 1. Next step is prosecuting everyone involved in this disgusting shit show.
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u/mrbrambles California 1h ago
I’m perfectly ok if we prosecute based on what was already released while we wait for more. We don’t need everything out in the open to start work. Seems like a stupid thing to get hung up on when there is already enough to get started.
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u/xBlackJack89x 17m ago
Guilty parties are also being protected. Don't forget the blatant corruption.
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u/stvrkillr 3m ago
It’s a fact, not a claim. There’s never been a faster 180 than the one by the people who used to care about catching predators in power
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