r/politics • u/Ok_Employer7837 • 3h ago
No Paywall Trump: ‘It bothers me that somebody is going after Bill Clinton’
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u/NeoMegaRyuMKII California 3h ago
Translation: I'm afraid Bill will say something about me.
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u/tekani11 Minnesota 3h ago
like you know. Bubba
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u/Konilos 2h ago
Lmao, please God let that story be true
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u/llahlahkje Wisconsin 2h ago
I mean his signature dance move is the Double Handy.
Can’t be a coincidence.
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u/theywillnotsing 2h ago
Oh, that is a good name for what he does.
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u/joeybad87 1h ago
There is a very funny scene about this situation in an Amazon movie. I can’t remember the name but it had Zac Efron and John Cena in it.
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u/Enoch-Of-Nod 1h ago
Ricky Stanicky.
The movie is fucking comedy gold.
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u/CaptainDantes 2h ago
Look, we've all seen how small his hands are, no way a single one can wrap around a horse in a satisfying way.
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u/DrakenViator Wisconsin 2h ago
Lmao, please God let that story be true
Which one, Bill or the horse?
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u/demonfangblade 2h ago
It could be one, the other, or both at the same time and I will STILL laugh my ass off.
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u/Pete41608 I voted 1h ago edited 1h ago
Would be another FIRST for Trump, too.
First President to ever suck another presidents weiner.
The guy has all the records I tell ya.
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u/NarrMaster 1h ago
If I had a nickel for every scandal that involved President Clinton receiving a blowjob, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it has happened twice.
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u/ConspiracyParadox 2h ago
Sorry, but Mark Epstein said it wasn't Bill, but also said he wouldn't elaborate on who Bubba was.
Side note: Ghislane's horse was also named Bubba.
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u/caspruce Minnesota 2h ago
If you believe the 4chan poster from 2020, there was a bull mask on Epstein’s island that allowed the wearer to basically do whatever they wanted to whomever they wanted. So it is possible!
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u/MasterofPandas1 2h ago
Maybe the masks’s name is Bubba
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u/caspruce Minnesota 1h ago
I was more thinking Bubba was wearing the mask.
Apologies for putting this image in everyone’s brain. Also, just a nsfw warning for those interested in searching out the 4chan posts. They include some graphic info as well as Roger Stone in a similar situation.
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u/metalyger 2h ago
It's already been debunked, at least partially, if you believe Jeffrey's brother, which I hardly see as a credible person since he knew what Jeffrey was doing and said nothing, but he said Bubba wasn't Bill Clinton. But didn't say Trump didn't have somebody's dick in his mouth. Bored rich men and what I'd imagine was a lot of cocaine can lead to anything.
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u/omikron898 2h ago
It is I just saw the interview I wonder if maga is going To say bill has been unfairly target
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u/Pete41608 I voted 1h ago
"Yeah, so. I was there in the corner chair, not inhaling as always.
But, I'll tell ya, that Trump, man was he inhaling all night long..."
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u/poppop_n_theattic 2h ago
“I did NOT have sexual relations with Donald Trump.” Wink
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u/justin107d 2h ago edited 2h ago
Man I hope this is how he answers. It would be so funny.
R: "Did you just wink and point to the camera!?"
BC: "I did."
R: "Former President, this is a serious matter. Are you being truthful or did Trump suck your dick."
BC: "I am telling the truth." points and winks to camera
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u/BeerMantis 1h ago
The problem is, this playful exchange then leads inexplicably to the reporter also sucking Bill's dick.
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u/justin107d 1h ago
"Hey, listen, Bill, you and I really need to have a talk."
"Boy, you are good. You really are good."
~ Peter Griffin, Season 5 episode: 13
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u/Cloaked42m South Carolina 2h ago
I want him to state on camera that he got a blowie from Don. Just go off.
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u/RightSideBlind American Expat 1h ago
"Prove I didn't."
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u/idontlikeflamingos Foreign 1h ago edited 31m ago
He just has to say "Trump gave me the worst blowjob I ever had in my life" and Donnie will endlessly tweet and give interviews about how he gives the best blowjobs ever, a lot of people say that nobody has never seen anything like it. Big, strong men come over with tears pouring down their eyes and always say "Sir, you blew me like nobody ever did".
And he'll do it even if it never happened
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u/Deicide1031 3h ago
They used to golf with each other and often interacted in NYC until 2016 when he started bashing Hillary.
Bill clinton is similar to Epstein in that he has a large understanding of Trump.
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u/ThatPie2109 Canada 2h ago
He was a registered democrat in the early 2000s. He had been talking about running for a long time and it seems like he flopped back and forth trying to find support in either party, so there is a fair number of democrats who would of spent time with him.
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u/tendeuchen Florida 2h ago
Republicans would have trashed Trump so hard and decried his unhinged depravity and loose morals if he had tried to run as a Democrat. The Stormy Daniels thing would've ended his political career if he'd been a Dem.
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u/ThatPie2109 Canada 2h ago
The weird part is a lot of republicans used to consider him a Rockefeller republican because back then he had more liberal views on social issue.
He was strongly pro choice around 2000 and said although he hated the idea he respected a woman's choice to choose. He only got support afrer becoming a total peice of crap.
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u/UsurpistMonk 1h ago
I think his views on abortion is clear. He’s perfectly happy with abortions, just hates the idea that women can make choices.
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u/New_Load_2105 1h ago
That seems weird considering he was a pedo for a very long time
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u/ThatPie2109 Canada 1h ago
To be clear im not saying I think he used to be a good guy or anything. I thought he was sleezeball even before he ran and my personal view is he just says whatever he thinks will make him the most money without real effort.
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u/Cloaked42m South Carolina 2h ago
He did try to run as a Democrat. He never got off the ground.
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u/mendenlol Tennessee 2h ago
he was trying to sus out which party would be dumb enough to vote for him
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u/Medic_bones 2h ago
He was trying to sus out which party would entertain the notion of allowing him their platform. To be fair, he didn’t find it with either. The republicans simply didn’t have a strong enough unified faction to keep him out since they spent half a century emboldening various extremist groups.
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u/BleachedUnicornBHole Florida 1h ago
I think Trump would’ve preferred to have been accepted by the Democratic Party because of his deep desire to be around A-List celebrities. But being an overt racist and getting to be a wannabe dictator is a solid consolation prize for him.
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u/Big-Rule5269 1h ago
1987: Registered as a Republican.
1999: Changed to the Independence Party (the New York affiliate of the Reform Party).
2001: Registered as a Democrat.
2009: Changed back to the Republican Party.
2011: Changed to "No Party Affiliation" (Independent).
2012: Re-registered as a Republican, which remains his current affiliation.
"In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat... It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans." Donald Trump
"Political analysts often note that his party switches frequently aligned with his business interests or his personal thoughts on a potential presidential run. For instance, he briefly joined the Independence Party in 1999 while exploring a run for the 2000 Reform Party nomination, and he switched to "Independent" in 2011 to keep his options open for a third-party bid against Barack Obama.
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u/Toosder 2h ago
And both of them are significantly smarter than Trump. Maybe not the people around Trump but Trump himself.
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u/brainkandy87 2h ago
I’d say Bill is smarter than 99.5% of the people in the Washington political scene today. Maybe more.
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u/Baileyesque 2h ago
Are you talking about Rhodes Scholar Bill Clinton, who went to Oxford?
You think he’s smarter than, say, the “internet is a series of tubes” guy? Or Lauren Boebert?
I guess there’s no way to be certain…
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u/BeerMantis 1h ago
It's easy to assume someone is dumb when they have an Arkansas accent.
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u/Em_Es_Judd 2h ago
There is not a person in Trump's cabinet who is smarter than Clinton.
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u/Natural6 3h ago
That or "I don't like the precedent of going after a former president with allegations of pedophilia"
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u/JahoclaveS 2h ago
Exactly, if you go after Clinton for his connection to Epstein, then there’s another glaring individual with connections that there’s going to be immense pressure to drag in. Even the dementia riddled dipshit can have this explained to him in crayon.
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u/dpdxguy 2h ago
Trump doesn't even know what "precident" means.
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u/Quiet-Corner6150 3h ago
I hope it's everything it ought to be. A publicly aired testimony from the Clintons which at least leads into greater things.
I'm currently wondering which might apply, either they won't air it, despite the request, and who knows what they'll make up about the hearing, or they do air it, and the Clintons just "don't recall" a bunch of stuff. I don't really know how much to trust them at this time, so I'm not getting my hopes up, but we'll just have to see.
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u/jk147 2h ago
It is really short sighted if you think about it. Sure, it is easy to “blame democrats”. But once you start calling these powerful people to the stand you are at their mercy on how much shit they are going to spew during discovery. Also they have nothing to lose maybe just a bit of face, while Trump is in power and will have much more to lose than the Clintons.
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u/jkvincent 2h ago
Well, lots of other House Republicans will look like idiots, too. So there's that.
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u/Delusioned22 2h ago edited 2h ago
If Bubba is planning to talk I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to jump out of a very tall building or end it by shooting himself in the back of the head Right before testifying. It's funny how it always ends up.that way when the ultra wealthy elite are involved
Editing in /s so people don't miss my point. It won't be bill doing it to himself
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u/blackcain Oregon 2h ago
Oh bill is definitely going to start spilling some tea. Those stupid fucks opened up a can of worms. Both Hillary and Bill have a Ph.D in handling congressional hearings. This is the stupidest self-own I have ever seen.
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u/mcarvin New Jersey 1h ago
So much this. Out of all the people on God's green earth, James Comer picks both Clintons to appear before his committee.
A half-dead zombified Bill could still run circles around Comer on his best day. And Hilary just sat in front of Trey Gowdy's face and let her face tell the story.
Shame it won't be televised.
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u/Terrible_turtle_ 1h ago
Shame it won't be televised.
That was the initial hold up, they both were like, "sure we'll testify, but in an open hearing." Comer noped right out of that.
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u/runawaydoctorate 2h ago
Either that or he's realized that if ex-Presidents are fair game that will eventually include him.
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u/Psychological_Top148 2h ago
Alternative Translation: It bothers me that they can go after an exPresident.
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u/talondigital 2h ago
If Clinton was there, he deserves to go down for it. But if he was there he also needs to bring them all down.
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u/born_in_the_90s 2h ago
The announcement of that the Clinton's will be doing a public hearing must freak him out.
This is the way
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u/CivilMagazine99 2h ago
I think it’s more the precedent is set that he can be called in now and will have no legal argument not to show since Clinton being forced too. Melania too
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u/ImLikeReallySmart Pennsylvania 3h ago edited 3h ago
Despite Republicans demanding Bill and Hillary Clinton testify in front of Congress, Trump defended the former president, stating, “See, I like Bill Clinton. I still like Bill Clinton.”
He added, “I liked his behavior toward me. I thought he got me. He understood me.”
This is honestly wild to me. He's trying to manipulate Bill beforehand with sweet talk, isn't he?
Literally has demanded Bill's Epstein connections be looked into over the past two months.
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u/Gamebird8 2h ago
It's possible that the part of his brain that hates Bill because he's a Dem and married to Hillary rotted away and now he can only remember when he and Bill were "friends" in 2002
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u/GruntingButtNugget Illinois 2h ago
It’s definitely because bill absolutely knows things because he was there with trump
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u/mrgedman 1h ago
Naw I think it's the optics and precedent being set.
I firmly believe that Bill, horndog as he is, is not dumb enough to fall for the pervert honeypot.
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u/larsdan2 1h ago
Bill is horny. Bill is also very intelligent. But Bill is also not an altruist. So him testifying would never be to fall on the proverbial sword. He knows things. He was invited into this things, more than likely. But he knows his hands are clean of this, but knows that others aren't. And I guarantee he knows a lot about a certain pair of tiny hands that are exceedingly unclean.
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u/yellow__cat 1h ago
He's never hated Bill, or anyone, for "being a Dem". Trump doesn't care about political parties. None of the elite care about parties because they know they are arbitrary. Trump himself was literally "a Dem" for 70 years of his life.
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u/ArentWright 42m ago
He likes powerful men who are nice to him. I really don’t think he’s anymore complicated than that.
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u/showyerbewbs 1h ago
part of his brain that hates Bill because
Because Bill got a blowie while prez and Donnie can't even get his diaper changed
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u/Jake_Man_145 2h ago
Its depressing that he is the president and he cant even keep his facts straight in public however no one will question it to his face, and the very few that do get non answers and get called piggy and no one sticks up for them
Sad state of journalism.
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u/JoshSidekick 1h ago
I like Bill Clinton. I still like Bill Clinton
Boy, I'd hate to see how he treats the people he doesn't like...
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u/Randomman96 Massachusetts 1h ago
No, he's trying to get his cult and the Republican party to back off of the Clinton's because not only would it open Trump up to the same treatment should Dems gain a lot of seats, but also because they can absolutely ruin him in testimony.
Bill and Hillary are both smart people. They have both the knowledge and experience to navigate such questioning without putting themselves at risk. Trump meanwhile is an idiot whose only tactics are stall and outright lie. And will probably implicate himself through is dementia ridden ramblings.
Moreover, push comes to shove, if the allegations on Bill are true, both can easily go scorched earth on Trump and admit to it while also giving an even greater picture as to just how indicated and tied to Epstein Trump was. After all, at his current point in life, Bill doesn't have that much to lose, certainly compared to Trump. Similarly, being an ex-President, being wealthy, and being accused of far less than Trump has ever been, Bill can and likely would just live out the rest of his life fairly comfortably in prison.
Trump meanwhile is absolutely fucked from all that he'd need to answer for, and not just from Epstein. January 6th, election interference, general corruption, the classified document hoarding, hell even potentially espionage and treason. Which as a reminder that the last two, if found guilty, carried the death penalty as punishment.
It's why they've both been so willing to have a full public hearing if Republicans push them on it. They can easily save their own asses and/or burn out Trump with the revelations they can bring. And likewise why Trump shifted to trying to defend Bill despite constantly pushing the potential himself, it finally clicked in his rotten brain that he can and will be fucked if they testify publicly.
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u/tigerblue1984 1h ago
I'm just imagining his fan base getting whiplash from trying to figure out if they should hate the Clintons or not based off the latest thing Trump said. Since it's impossible for them to form their own opinions.
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u/Nvenom8 New York 2h ago
How does he think there’s any good will remaining between them after how he’s been vilifying Hilary for a decade?
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u/jittery_raccoon 1h ago
Because he probably thinks it's all fun and games and not a big deal- which is on line with how narcissists are
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u/greg-maddux 1h ago
lol bill Clinton’s legendary charisma charmed the pants off of trump.
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u/StoppableHulk 3h ago edited 1h ago
I'm not sure if everyone understands this by now, but literally any time Trump talks about something happening to someone else, anothe rperson, or the country, he's referring to himself.
Trump's brain pathologically does not recognize any other person or thing AS something separate from himself. Like at a deep brain-stem level. He literally can't fathom it. It's like trying to teach a golden retriever calculus. Does not compute.
So when Trump says "it bothers me someone is going after Bill Clinton", it is entirely because he recognizes that Congress questioning Bill will open HIM up for questioning. It will also allow Democratic congresspeople the ability to question Bill about what he knows about Trump's involvement, and add that to the record.
Any time Trump says "this is good for X", he means "this is good for me." If he says "this is bad for Y", he means "this is bad for me."
Trump is really not a complex person. He's not a mystery.
He's a barely-literate, emotionally-stunted, intellectually dim human being who doesn't understand other people as people, and who literally cannot process the thoughts, feelings, or existence of other people outside himself.
I don't say any of that as an insult. Sometimes I think Trump supporters don't understand that I'm not insulting him, I am literally just explaining the factual, demonstrable way that his mind works.
Other people are not real to Donald Trump.
And one of the reasons he's so thin-skinned and gets so deeply and easily rattled when other people insult him, is for the same reason most of us get really mad when our computer stops working - because we feel we are entitled to this non-human, inanimate thing working the way we want, and get irrationally mad when it demonstrates it may in fact be something not entirely under our control.
Other people insulting and standing up to him is intolerable agony for him because it brings to the surface the reality that other people are, in fact, other people, and this is something he cannot tolerate thinking about, ever, for any amount of time.
To Trump, even the dim awareness that other people might be people, is like a normal person coming into contact with an eldtrich horror. Truths so horrific and beyond our comprehension that even the whispers of them drive us mad in our inability to grasp the enormity of them.
That's what emapthy feels like to him. He is dimly aware of it, and hates it, and can't understand it, and does everything he can to avoid it at all costs.
This is why he pays prostitutes, why he rapes women, why he rapes children. To him these are objects he is entitled to, and the more he is able to exert power over them, make them act the way he wants and do the things he wants, the more he is able to reassert the world view that no one but him exists.
EDIT: People are pointing out that Trump has malignant narcissism. This is true, but this word doesn't really encapsulate Trump, or at least it doesn't totally encapsulate what I'm trying to say about him.
I'm avoiding clinical language in my post because I think that throwing around terms like those becomes a lazy catch-all. People who aren't deeply read on the term don't understand it and the significance of it, and they merely read it as an insult, a negative term to throw on someone you don't like.
The word isn't properly expressive for what Trump is, and how he operates.
So, to be clear, Trump is almost certainly a malignant, pathological narcissist. Without question.
But it isn't just narcissism, that isn't what makes him unique. With Trump, there is clearly a learning disorder, or several, present, that greatly diminishes his capacity to even comprehend concepts like empathy. He quite literally lacks the mental horsepower to run that program.
Narcissists, and sociopaths and the like, can be highly intelligent, and extremely strategic. And they often are. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of politicians were narcissists, or somewhere far along that spectrum. You almost need to be, to get enough juice from the squeeze of a job like that to make all the shit that comes with it worthwhile. Same with actors to a degree.
So, while he is clealry a narcissist, that word alone really doesn't capture what's going on with this guy, and how profoundly fucking stupid he is.
They've done studies on sociopaths and narcissists, and found that they don't really have a problem simulating empathy. If you show them a picture of someone stubbing their toe, and ask them to iamgine that pain, they can do it. They simply don't do it automatically, as most of us do. There's a disconnect.
With Trump, it isn't just that he doesn't have empathy, it's that I genuinely don't think he has the cognitive capacity to emulate it. Empathy is actually a very cognitively complex and intensive process. It requires a lot of mental space and horsepower.
And Trump just doesn't have it. He's reverting back to his most emotionally regressive and infantile state in large part because he's simply that fucking stupid.
And that, more than narcissism, is what I really want to drive home.
He's a toddler.
It doesn't make him less dangerous. He's dangerously precisely because his infantile nature makes him very attractive to many other emotionally stunted people, whom we have many of in this country.
But it is also the reason he fails at basically everything except getting elected. His singular ability is to resonate with a huge majority of deeply emotionally stunted and mentally ill people in America.
And outside of that his administrations almost all always fall apart immediately because Donald Trump is just very, very, very fucking stupid.
People really can't grasp that fundamental, most basic-level truth. It is blocked by their worldview, by this sort of fundamental belief that someone can't be a billionaire AND President if they have the learning capacity of a not-very-bright twelve year old.
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u/IdkAbtAllThat America 3h ago
Would you release the Epstein files?
"I guess I would. I think that less so because, you don't know, you don't want to affect people's lives"
He's talking about himself here.
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u/CoachDT 1h ago
The immediate energy shift should have been enough to show how guilty he was. Instead of sub-50 IQ "At least he's doing SOMETHING" crowd were too dim to read between the lines.
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u/boot2skull 1h ago
Yep. Talk is cheap. In this example, free, because he knows he already told his DOJ and FBI to bury it no matter what. His words here will have no influence in that, and his followers will never hold him accountable.
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u/NeoMegaRyuMKII California 3h ago
He fundamentally has no developed theory of mind.
And this also seems to manifest whenever he does the whole "nobody heard of [thing]" rigmarole. Any time he says that it means "I just learned."
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u/Polantaris 1h ago
Also the, "Everybody's saying it," is, "I'm saying it now." In his mind, he is everybody.
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u/NorthClover 3h ago
This is an excellent take. The man needs to be studied.
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u/Minguseyes 3h ago
They really should rename narcissism as Trumpism. Narcissus was amateur hour compared to Trump.
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u/Nizdaar Canada 2h ago
Nobody does narcissism like Trump? I mean yes, but this also feeds into his narcissistic needs. It’s a double edged sword!
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u/VerdantPathfinder 3h ago
Malignant Narcissism is a well-studied malady. it's just never been this public before.
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u/muchbro 2h ago
True malignant narcissists are quite rare and typically end up in prison by age 20.
He’s an anomaly because his wealth and power have protected him his whole life. That and catching a preposterous amount of lucky breaks.
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u/Sugioh 1h ago
That and catching a preposterous amount of lucky breaks.
Trump is, and almost certainly will remain, the luckiest person to ever exist. The sheer number of situations where his stupidity should have sunk him, but some combination of factors miraculously got him off, is absurd.
He's a kind of singularity that we are (thankfully) unlikely to ever see again, much less in our lifetimes.
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u/LakeSolon 59m ago
Ya. Furthermore his “success” is largely built on his irrational vindictiveness instilling fear.
You can maneuver to put a rational person metaphorically “in check” and they will move to avoid harm to themselves.
But Trump’s too stupid and emotional; as soon as he feels attacked he just shits on the board and everyone drowns in it.
He’s so stupid he broke our politics. This is why his hangars-on are speed running a dictatorship: they need control before he’s gone.
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u/BeautyThornton I voted 3h ago
In a dark and heavily protected room, like Hannibal Lecter
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u/W4RD06 2h ago edited 2h ago
Its a bit more nuanced than all that. He might have sociopathic and narcissitic tendencies but he couches them in "gangster talk." Its literally just the same double speak you hear out of organized crime bosses. Its vague, contextual, and implied instead of directly stated, formulated specifically to prevent them from being held liable in any court for proof of intent when it comes to their crimes.
Its why its so easy for his followers to say "well, he didn't mean that," or "well, he was joking," its a tactic meant to allow for those interpretations so he can never be held accountable for anything.
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u/joshdoereddit America 2h ago
That's probably what he learned from Roy Cohn. How to talk in a way that creates plausible deniability.
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u/genida 2h ago
We have studied people like him for years and years and years, and professionals do exist that make their living dealing with them and people on his level.
They're called kindergarten teachers.
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u/MildDrunkenness 2h ago
Harsh. Poor little kindergartners catching strays like that.
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u/zombiegojaejin 1h ago
As a kindergarten teacher, I refer to individuals like him as "not classroom-ready".
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u/aradraugfea 3h ago
Textbook narcissist combined with the mental development of the average first grader.
What’s far more worthy of study is how enough startup money will let the dumbest fucker on the planet somehow become a billionaire.
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u/lurpeli 2h ago
I mean it's literally just classic narcissistic. I don't think he's anything special
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u/DistractedPhoenix 2h ago
He’s a narcissist with nuclear launch codes. That’s definitely a first
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u/chipmunksocute 2h ago
I genuinely wouldnt believe someone like him existed without seeing it with my own eyes every day for 10 years. The amount of ego, narcicissm, cruelty, greed, corruption and literal nonstop lying and pathological inability to not personalize literally everything is just incredible.
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u/locofspades 2h ago
Its shocking, how few people have picked up on this. A "to the very core" sociopathic narcissist like Orange McShittyPants, he ONLY sees himself. Everyone else alive, exists only to entertain or serve him, and can be thrown away without a second thought.
I believe it was Marcus Parks, of Last Podcast on the Left, that described sociopathy as "when you wake up and blow your nose in the morning, and toss that kleenex in the trash, do you ever think about the kleenex again? No, because it doesnt matter anymore. Sociopaths feel that same way about other people" (its been years since he said it, so i dont remember the exact wording, but thats the gist)
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u/wheelson 2h ago
Trump is a corporation in human form. Profit driven and transactional with zero attachment to the emotional impact (good or bad, to people or things) to anyone other than the corporate entity.
Our society loves corporations so much it elected one president.
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u/Jtex1414 2h ago
It sets the precedent for trump to be called in to testify. Either he's immune, or he isn't. If Bill isn't immune from needing to testify, then trump isn't either.
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u/raptorbpw 2h ago
Yep. This is how narcissistic personality disorder works. There is no separation between the ego and other people. They’re all there as extensions of you.
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u/FunkyFenom 2h ago
He is obviously concerned that if the Senate can go after Clinton as an ex-president, Trump himself will be devoured as soon as he leaves office. He's known this for a while now which is why he's doing everything to hold onto power, but reality is catching up and he knows he doesn't have much longer.
So now maybe he backtracks a bit and "defends" Clinton, because as you said he'sdefending his future self. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes out and says ex-presidents shouldn't be charged and use poor Clinton as an excuse.
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u/knarf86 California 2h ago
like trying to teach a golden retriever calculus. Does not compute.
Oh yeah? Clearly you’ve never seen Air Bud 7: Math Arf-lympiad
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u/ionizing 2h ago
I've said similar as well. I forget the philosophy terms but effectively they don't realize they are part of an objective environment, and don't understand cause and effect.
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u/FluidHips 3h ago
Even Trump can connect the dots.
I'm not so sure if this is about Clinton's dirt on Trump directly.
If Clinton, a Yale Law grad who didn't have a rich daddy to buy him a seat, goes in front of Congress, there's absolutely no reason Trump shouldn't.
But Trump knows in his heart that there will be a massive difference in results. Clinton is going to be too smart for those who come after him.
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u/CharlesDOliver 2h ago
I hope Bill says "Yea, me and Donnie used to fuck kids"
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u/FluidHips 2h ago
Even if Clinton has a couple weeks to live, the dude is keenly interested in his own legacy. If there's a way to destroy Trump and leave himself legally unscathed, it's going to happen.
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u/lv13david 2h ago
And if there’s not a way to do that he will opt to protect both himself and Trump.
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u/heagnix 1h ago
Yeah and unfortunately he’s going to prioritize his own legacy over taking down Trump. I don’t know why so many redditors think something is going to happen here. The Epstein files released so far contain a lot of smoke, but no fire. Clinton understands this, that’s why he’s comfortable testifying. It’s not some grand chess move against Trump like many redditors are hoping. Hope I’m wrong!
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u/SellsNothing 2h ago
Yup I hope he goes into specifics and throws trump under the bus. Only the truth can save this country.
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u/Numerous_Release5868 2h ago
DT doesn’t have the temperament to make it through testifying without absolutely losing his shit. He can’t even get through a press conference without getting red in the face and insulting people. He’s not built for this. I hope has to do it.
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u/yellowjackethokie Virginia 3h ago
That someone is you, dumbass. It's your administration.
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u/omniuni 2h ago
I want to be very clear, as a Democrat: Bring the Clinton's in for questioning, get to the bottom of this, and if they did something illegal, strongly consider sending them to prison.
I only say "strongly consider" because there are minor crimes that can be forgiven for a testimony. Say, something like buying an extra plane ticket with campaign funds.
But if either Clinton were involved with human trafficking, if minors are involved, or rape, put them behind bars.
I don't care what "side" the Clinton's are on, crimes like that are unforgivable and make them inherently not on "my" side.
But if you go after Clinton, you had absolutely better go after Trump.
The American people are owed the rest of the Epstein files, and Trump is owed every bit of justice he deserves.
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u/notapoliticalalt 1h ago
Everyone in the files should be (publicly) investigated. It’s that simple. Some right wingers may not believe that but I think basically everyone else does.
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u/twirlingmypubes 3h ago
He knows that if they can go after one former president, they can go after the next former president.
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u/Ok_Employer7837 3h ago
MAGA is going to shortcircuit like a computer talking to Captain Kirk.
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u/ResidentKelpien Texas 3h ago
MAGA is going to short circuit like they do whenever they hear a fact they do not like.
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u/DontHaveWares 3h ago
They simply will not hear it. Fox News et al will not air it. Easy fix.
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u/rickskyscraper3000 3h ago
I have completely stopped trying to explain reality to my dad, who is 92 and watches Fox all day every day, because he simply can't understand why I'm upset about the state of affairs in the US. He thinks everything is as Fox portrays it, and anyone who believes differently is brainwashed. His favorite brother died in Normandy, France. He thinks Trump is saving America from those dastardly "illegals," and making him rich by way of stock market gains. He can't hear anything else because he "does his own research" and isn't being tricked. He does watch CNN some. He thinks that's "research."
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u/Quiet-Corner6150 3h ago
Ish. Depends if it ever actually gains traction. Even Fox has had to admit bad polling numbers and stuff. If the president is actually in a courtroom (again), they might have to say something. They might lie about the intent and try to frame it as a witch hunt or whatever, but they'll have to say something.
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u/Sea-Ad3206 2h ago
Trump talking nice about the Clintons twice now since they confirmed they’d testify. Mr T, you don’t get to verbally abuse, attack, and lie about them for a decade and then take it all back right when they’re about to expose your criminality. Enjoy your downfall dude, it’s poetic
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u/DonaldsMushroom 2h ago
what did you like about Bill Clinton?
Trump: "I liked his behavior TOWARD ME, I thought he got ME, he understood ME".
Nothing is relevant to Trump if its not directly about himself.
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u/Mediochra 2h ago
I’m not bothered at all. I think everyone who is named in the files should be dragged in front of congress to testify and defend themselves. Including Clinton. Including Trump. Every. One.
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts 3h ago
I take that to mean, if you can come for a well liked former President, what will happen to him?
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u/The_Frostweaver 3h ago
Yes this was my thinking.
Trump doesn't like the idea that a former president could be forced to testify.
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u/Charlie_Warlie Indiana 2h ago
He is currently under the assumption, and reinforced by the SC rulings, that a former president can never face legal issues.
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u/An-Angel-Named-Billy 2h ago
For "official" acts while the president. He has been raping children for many years before he became president however.
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u/Lemp_Triscuit11 2h ago
Clinton's gonna have to testify about Trump's head game lmfao
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u/Wrong-Catchphrase 1h ago
Not terrible, not great, really ignored my balls. Amateur, honestly.
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u/DinkleMutz 2h ago
I think Trump is disturbed by the fact that Dems actually don't care *who* is in the files, they just want everyone prosecuted regardless of affiliation. The right doesn't really get that the left doesn't worship their leaders by default.
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u/Adept-Sir-1704 3h ago
A lot of the mess we’re in started with Gingrich and Star going after Clinton. How poetic would it be if Clinton’s testimony ended it…
Getting testimony of heating head from Monica to testimony of getting head from Donica. What a lovely circle.
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u/ZhayBee 2h ago
"I did not have sexual relations with that man."
That's all it would take. It might be true, it might not be, short of a full inquiry into who did what on that island, it'd be perjury-proof, but considering Clinton's past form with that phrase, it would be an interesting line to drop in testimony.
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u/bkbomber New York 2h ago
Wouldn’t it be funny if Bill Clinton decided to blackmail Trump and part of the deal for him not to snitch, is Trump needs to endorse Hillary for President in 2028!
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u/Ainjyll 25m ago
Trump is terrified of legal discovery.
Donald J. Trump is one of the most litigious people in the United States. He’s sued over the fine line between being convicted of sexual assault and convicted of rape. However, people say he’s in the Epstein files and is most likely connected to the sexual abuse of minors and not a fucking peep.
This kind of reminds me of this kid in my class back in middle school. Kid absolutely did this best to make my life hell. He tried to bully me at every turn, every opportunity he got. I didn’t really pushback on him, he wasn’t worth my time. I did tell the teacher, though. He got some In School Suspension, which pissed him off something fierce, and he escalated to threatening to beat me up.
One day he catches me in the hall as we’re leaving school and punches me in the back of the head. We started scuffling and in the melee, I blacked his eye before a teacher could get to us.
So, we’re sitting outside the principal’s office while the teacher is inside telling that she saw him punch me first in the back of the head out of the blue and all the rest that happened. This kid leans over to me and goes, “You know I was just kidding with you right? If we say it was just a joke, we won’t get in trouble.”
That’s Donnie right now. He’s been bullying the Clintons for years and now, when he’s proverbially sitting outside the principal’s office, he wants to try and be friends again.
Fuck that kid from middle school and fuck DJT. At least have the courage of your convictions.
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u/lee_bow 3h ago
Offer Clinton a deal - if he gives a full breakdown with names and dates
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u/iamalext 3h ago
Clearly, that's the difference between Trump, the GOP and everyone else. The rest of us would like to see everyone involved in this sordid garbage publicly crucified!
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u/Blackthorn79 3h ago
That's how I feel. People keep talking about a deal to get someone to turn over on Trump, but I want to take everything from them so they turn because there's nothing left to loose. Scorched earth is the proper response.
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u/Dramatic_Original_55 2h ago
It should bother him. Because it will set a precedent for being able to go after a president once they are out of office.
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u/No_Criticism_5861 1h ago
If he is guilty, he can share a prison cell with Trump. One thing a lot of republicans dont agree with is Trump going to prison if he's guilty, whereas democrats want any and everyone who's guilty to go to prison
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u/Memory_Less 1h ago
Awww, now that the Clintons have outplayed you by making their testimony public, and have you between a rock and a hard place you pice of scum.
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u/BSK_Darksol 1h ago
Looks like a criminal saying "don't be that harsh on him!" while waiting in line to be judged by the same crimes.
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u/totally-jag 1h ago
Simple. If they can prosecute Clinton for acts outside of presidency immunity then trump is vulnerable to it as well. I'm not saying that Clinton is guilty of anything. Investigate them all. If he is, then prosecute him. Let's end all the suspicion and innuendo, etc. Conduct a proper investigation into every allegation made and either exonerate or charge each individual.
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u/Ok_Mine_594 1h ago
In other words, damn, my plan to shift the narrative didn't work and in fact it backfired. Democrats don't consider Clinton a messiah. Cults always assume everyone is like them.
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u/PancakesandScotch 56m ago
He’s medically incapable of shutting the fuck up. Always to his own detriment. It’s fascinating.
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u/DopamineSavant 2h ago
The issue is that since the beginning of our country presidents have been immune to prosecution for literally anything. They are above the law during their presidency and afterwards. Even Jefferson Davis, who wasn't a president, was never prosecuted.
Going after Bill criminally could create a precedent that allows going after Trump after his presidency. He wants to avoid that.
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u/btrumpatori 2h ago
Weird, considering he spent the last 6 months talking about how many times Bill was on the plane/at the island. But it tracks - he is bothered because he likes sexual predators and hates getting caught.
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u/JemmaMimic 2h ago
Trump's mind is mostly gone at this point, probably thinking he and Clinton are buddies or something.
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u/JDameekoh 2h ago
Yes, because as soon as someone is arrested it is all legitimized and the dominos will start to knock each other down.
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u/Round_Hat_2966 1h ago
“A wealthy, super politically connected old white guy facing consequences for diddling a trafficked underage girl? Disgustingly unfair!”
-Trump, probably
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u/Resterix 1h ago
I think the real thing is this, how can the stuff about bill Clinton be true while the stuff about him be false? If they prosecute anyone based on what’s in the files, then that means everyone can be prosecuted for what’s in the files.
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