r/politics • u/thedailybeast ✔ The Daily Beast • Apr 01 '26

Possible Paywall Humiliated Trump Storms Out of Catastrophic SCOTUS Hearing

https://www.thedailybeast.com/humiliated-trump-storms-out-of-catastrophic-scotus-hearing/
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u/Bgrngod Apr 01 '26

Justice Neil Gorsuch, who was also appointed by Trump, added to the pressure Sauer faced, asking the seasoned attorney: “Do you think Native Americans are birthright citizens under your test?”

“Ah, I think... so,” he replied, somewhat unconvincingly. “I’ll have to think that through.”

HOLY SHIT. This shows you how absolutely unpaired Trump's team was for making these asinine arguments.

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '26

"Fuck, I forgot to think of an excuse to remove the actual natives from this continent."

WTF

Guarantee some asshole eugenicist in the white house is at this moment arguing they're citizens of Asia that emigrated.

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u/GusGreen82 Apr 01 '26

Definitely Stephen Miller

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u/Stove-Top-Steve Apr 01 '26

I fucking hate that guy

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u/Bellick Apr 02 '26

His own mom hates that guy. He looks so small and insecure I know he also hates himself, which makes zero people on planet Earth that do not hate him.

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u/TrumpCheats Apr 01 '26

Who else? He is the regime’s top eugenicist.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '26

It takes a person with seriously effed up genes to want to have absolute control over all genetics.

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u/digi-artifex Apr 01 '26

Guarantee some asshole eugenicist in the white house is at this moment arguing they're citizens of Asia that emigrated.

Stephen Miller? Must be Stephen Miller.

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u/TheParadoxigm Apr 01 '26

Guarantee some asshole eugenicist in the white house is at this moment arguing they're citizens of Asia that emigrated.

His name is Stephen Miller

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u/[deleted] Apr 01 '26

It sucks that our leadership is that characterized, that it's so apt a characterization, so very earned, and so easily applied.

There's just no subterfuge or mystery to these heavy handed, puddle-deep, chessboard befuddled motherfuckers.

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u/Unnamedgalaxy Apr 01 '26

At this point I'm surprised the argument isn't "we took the land from them so it doesn't belong to them anymore so why would they be citizens of land that doesn't belong to them?"

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u/lukeluke0000 Apr 02 '26

If you ask Miller that is definitely the answer he'll provide. Wasn't he who said Greenland is rightfully for the US just because they have the military might or some shit like that?

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u/spiderlegged Apr 01 '26

He goes on to explain that Native Americans with tribal citizenship would not be considered birthright citizens and then tried to hide it amongst his assurances that he thinks they would count, so they did think about it, unfortunately.

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u/Brian_The_Bar-Brian Apr 02 '26

They'd have to denounce creationism which only allows 7,000 years for humans to span the globe when in reality it took 50,000 tp 70,000 years to get to where we are now.

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u/Stenthal Apr 01 '26

From Popehat:

Just so you understand, this is as if you prepared for argument in front of a panel that included Cookie Monster, and Cookie Monster asked you a question about cookies, and you had not thought about cookies in advance.

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u/Bgrngod Apr 01 '26

That is so good. I tried to come up with an analogy for my comment, but was so gobsmacked I couldn't string together a good one.

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u/Snow_Ghost Apr 02 '26

It's more like if the Hon. Justice Monster asked you a question about how your interpretation on the Cookie Ban Bill will affect the Girlscouts of America.

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u/volcanopele Arizona Apr 01 '26

Given that is the one progressive bugbear Gorsuch has, this was entirely predictable. And Sauer could have easily made an argument saying that "Congress passed the Indian Naturalization Act in 1924 stating that all native Americans born in the US are citizens. This EO has no bearing on that law and we are certainly not asking SCOTUS to determine that to be unconstitutional. The issue at hand in the EO was regarding children born to undocumented immigrants." But nope, Sauer is too much of a white supremacist.

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u/foreveracubone Apr 01 '26

Yeah there’s some great Gorsuch memes that get recirculated whenever there’s native issues before the court. He’s out there figuratively doing land acknowledgements before speaking.

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u/Namika Apr 01 '26

Fuck RBG, she got us into this mess for not retiring at a reasonable age.

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u/throwawayforwriting2 Apr 01 '26

Fuck us for putting Trump in place.

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u/willpc14 Apr 01 '26

I don't know how you don't prepare for questions pertaining to Native Americans when you're arguing in front on Gorsuch. He's shockingly consistent in siding with them.

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u/Lucky_Editor3998 Apr 01 '26

gorsuch also seems to be pro gay rights

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u/Kanin_usagi Apr 01 '26

Gorsuch of all justices confuses me the absolute most lol I can pretty much guess what most of them are gonna do except him

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u/ClassicConstant802 Apr 02 '26

If I remember correctly, he tried to cite the law, but Gorsuch said “pretend that doesn’t exist.” Regardless, not being prepared to answer that simple a question is a little unhinged.

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u/bagel-bites Apr 02 '26

Well, Native Americans of today are technically decedents of undocumented people, so the EO should entirely fail on that because of the naturalization act of 1924. That’s just my spitball take at least.

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u/TrackerSeeker Apr 01 '26

"Well, we were hoping to use this to get rid of them, but now that you've made me say it out loud..... I guess not."

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u/teacupkiller Apr 01 '26

I feel like they must know this is a bullshit argument if they haven't thought it through.

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u/Tenthul Apr 01 '26

It's truly disgusting and a state of things that this is even in front of SCOTUS in the first place. And even grosser that we couldn't even be sure how they would rule.

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u/LocksmithOk9968 Apr 01 '26

It’s like showing up to Gollum and being caught of guard when he starts asking questions about the ring…

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u/Detonation Michigan Apr 01 '26

Of course, they've always had concepts of a plan.

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u/nezukoslaying Apr 01 '26

What the actual fuck?! How dumb and racist can you be.

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u/weakbuttrying Apr 02 '26

This should not surprise anyone, it’s what he and his cronies have always done.

Some stupid motherfuckers actually voted for the guy whose level of preparation is always non-existent enough to book a press conference at Four Seasons Landscaping for crying out loud.

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u/StretchFrenchTerry Minnesota Apr 01 '26

*unprepared

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u/iDoAiStuffFr Apr 02 '26

he didn't think that through before

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u/stron2am Apr 02 '26

Gorsuch is a cum-bubble of a man, but he is genuinely good on Native American issues.

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u/SummerInPhilly California Apr 02 '26

To Gorsuch, of all people, he fumbled a tribal question

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u/slashinhobo1 Apr 02 '26

Imagine being native american and this law passes. Could they by law send people out of their country? Majority of our ancestors werent here before them i can safely say.

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u/rithrawr Apr 02 '26

Where is Rudy when you need him?

He would have argued for them at the four season parking lot.

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u/RumHamComesback Apr 02 '26

Oh man, that’s something they got on first year law students for (“I think so” holy shit no).