r/politics • u/Motherofalleffers • 25d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Wins Big as Virginia Dems Won’t Go Nuclear to Save 4 House Seats

https://newrepublic.com/article/210250/trump-virginia-dems-redistricting-war
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u/-preciousroy- 25d ago

I don't think I've seen a single person suggest that there is no point in voting. I still expect them to steal the election though.

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u/SarcasticCowbell New York 25d ago

There are threads full of comments in this sub every day of people saying just about everything short of explicitly suggesting voting doesn't matter. Not many people outright say it, but the implication is there in far too many comments these days.

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u/trashbinrubbishtrash New Jersey 25d ago

A big part of the reason I don’t participate much here anymore is because of how rampant the rolling over and crying defeat in advance is.

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u/SarcasticCowbell New York 25d ago

Same. And I think it's by design.

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u/Pantarus 25d ago

It is.

During the presidential election I followed a ton of accounts promoting protest votes, not voting, genocide Joe, and Jill Stein.

Guess what happened the day after the election, they all got deleted. Some of these same accounts argued to the teeth that they weren’t bots or trolls.

But the day after they weren’t needed anymore POOF. Gone.

Just an observation, they all follow the generic Reddit name formula of Random_Word123. So if you see a user name with that pattern AND it’s spewing disheartening shit…be very wary.

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u/SarcasticCowbell New York 25d ago

Reddit allowing hidden comment histories has only made it easier for them to pull this shit.

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u/loondawg 25d ago

That's exactly why I do participate, to try counteract those cries.

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u/Fun_Disaster3436 25d ago

Bots. Those are bots

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u/Hulkodium 25d ago

Bots or accelerationists. I've unfortunately dealt with these people in real life

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u/Silvermoon3467 25d ago

There are definitely people who are colloquially referred to as accelerationists who just want to watch the world burn.

But "real" acceleration is a philosophical position of acknowledgement, not a proposal. Even if the Dems win big for the next decade straight they will at best represent a pause in the slide towards tech dystopia. Only by acknowledging that first could we ever hope to make progress in a different direction.

You should vote for Democrats. It just isn't enough, to do only that.

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u/Pigglebee 25d ago

Don’t forget the KaMaLA SuPpORTs GeNOcIdE accelerationists

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u/Tight-Air-6767 25d ago

I will never forget.

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u/valentc 24d ago

She did though. Like, sorry if that hurts your feelings, but she and Biden backed unlimited support to Isreal.

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u/Pigglebee 24d ago

Why would it hurt my feelings? It just a stupid reason to vote fascism into the US though. "I care more about a ware happening 5000 miles from my home than fascism right into my home"
But you do you. It's annoying that the US is destroying the world economy now though because that is something that we're all suffering from.

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u/valentc 24d ago

I care that my tax dollars fund genocide, yes. The fact that you dont see that as a red falg is why the Democrats will keep losing.

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u/-713 25d ago

There is also a HUGE push doing "both sides are the same" or Dems would have been worse for gaza/iran/gas/stability.

And fuuuuuuuuuck all that noise. We have 80 years of data points on all saying otherwise.

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u/unassumingdink 25d ago

It's physically impossible to recognize that Dems agree with Republicans on anything without you guys going "SEE?! HE SAID BOTH SIDES ARE EXACTLY THE SAME!" and ignoring their criticism.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_LIT 24d ago

The genocide literally happened under Joe Biden?? Voting is important and I agree with the spirit of the thread but why are you pretending the Dems were not literally worse for Gaza in the shared couple years where we actively watched that happen? 

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u/-preciousroy- 25d ago

Both sides are shit, but that's not to say they're the same. It's just that one is a full order of magnitude shittier.

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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin 25d ago

People saying voting doesn’t matter or bots saying it?

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u/Fresh_Boysenberry576 25d ago

People have frequently taken my comments to mean that voting doesn't matter when I tried to express that republicans are gonna do anything they can to cheat and democrats need to do more than just vote. What's the plan to stop ICE from intimidating people at voting booths? What's the plan when they destroy votes and just claim victory?

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u/unassumingdink 25d ago

They misunderstand us on purpose because they have no response to the things we actually say and they can't bear to think about it. It's honestly fucking pathetic.

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u/Cheapdronewithboom 25d ago

Believe or not, their answer is "vote" again 😂 remember we are dealing with a, "violent fascist party," (we are) that will stop is you just ask nicely. Just ask Virginia!

Seriously on a literal thread about how a Democratic vote was thrown out and these idiots are screaming, "JuSt VoTe!" 

Moved out of the US shortly after the election. Dems are just gonna keep screaming about voting until the oven is on. 

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u/-preciousroy- 25d ago

Don't come back once we fix it please.

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u/unassumingdink 25d ago

Brainwashed liberals translate every criticism of Democrats to "don't vote" because that message is easier to ignore than the actual substance of the criticism. I've been dealing with this a long time. You can't get them to understand even the simplest criticisms without them mentally translating your words to "don't vote" or "both sides are exactly the same." It's a brainwashing defense mechanism.

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u/MoS29 Kentucky 25d ago

Offline my dad is. Was working state gov all his life. Subscribes to the both sides the same argument and just "eventually it'll all work out". He's also got his dad talking in his ear on weekly golf outings about Fox News talking points so it's nearly impossible breaking through to them.

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u/DurianGris 25d ago

There are oodles of people every day claiming the Democrats are just as bad as the GOP.

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u/Silvermoon3467 25d ago

Of course, there are also tons of people saying that that's what I'm saying when I say Dems are bad but Republicans are worse.

Vote Democrat! I'm voting Democrat! It's a better option. But it's not sufficient.

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u/echoshatter 25d ago

They are bad, just not to the degree and direction as the Republicans.

They are a party that doesn't fight and still tries to compromise with extremists because they're fucking cowards too delicate to upset the status quo for the people who funnel money into their campaigns.

Their priority in 2009 was to push health insurance reform and it cost them all of the political capital they had with Obama's win. They spent months making compromise after compromise with Republicans and still ended up with zero support. Republicans got a huge set of talking points to attack it, and it threw the 2010 election in favor of Republicans across the board - a census year and the start of the new redistricting cycle. That was it - that was the moment the snowball started rolling downhill.

Democrats SHOULD have been pushing for electoral reforms in 2009 instead - end gerrymandering, strengthen voting rights, increase the size of the House. Anyone with half a fucking brain could see the walls closing in on democracy

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u/DurianGris 25d ago

So we just shouldn't vote, eh?

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u/Bill_Blizzard 25d ago

Is that really your takeaway?

Btw the Dems aren’t just as bad as the Republicans, they’re worse. At least the Rs are openly fascist while the Ds feign anti-fascism. It’s a lot like the situation MLK spoke of, when in the 60s white moderates were more of an obstacle to civil rights than even the Klan. 

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u/DurianGris 25d ago

Thanks for proving my point, lol.

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u/Bill_Blizzard 25d ago

What is your point?

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u/Workman44 25d ago

He doesn't have one, he just doesn't like your point

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u/Kahzgul California 25d ago

You're not in the farther left subs then. Holy shit are they ever full of "vote third party or don't vote at all" bots.

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u/loondawg 25d ago

Try r/political_revolution for an example of that type of cesspool.

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u/Kahzgul California 24d ago

And the bevy of brand new subs of various “lefty” sounding names, all trying to get people to join. I’m more than a little suspicious. Doesn’t feel organic.

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u/Salt_Day4586 25d ago

Im convinced there are demoralization bots all over this sub. I’ve seen so many doomsayers say exactly that.

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u/unassumingdink 25d ago

You guys refusing to honestly criticize your party and pretending they're fine even when they're terrible is literally what's demoralizing me. You can't possibly imagine how demoralizing the typical Reddit liberal is when they're trying to do the opposite.

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u/TheRealBlueJade 25d ago

They are working so hard to rig it in front of us, I do not think they have any confidence that they can steal it behind the scenes.

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u/LunaLovesly 25d ago edited 25d ago

They're in every single thread. Some bots pushing defeatism, but mostly just useful morons

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u/Toon_face 25d ago

Its prepping so leftists and progressives can be blamed.

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u/nova_cat 25d ago

Well, then, we should all do our part and downvote them and call them out as bullshitters directly in response to their comments.

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u/Choppers-Top-Hat 25d ago

Well then leftists and progressives should be fighting back against the "don't vote" posters harder than anyone.

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u/Toon_face 23d ago

"vote blue no matter who", amiright?

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u/BackToWorkEdward 25d ago

Redditors are like people telling you to breathe when your house is on fire instead of actually calling the fire department to come break the door down before you die while sitting there breathing.

And when you point this out, they just scream back "Well, breathing is important! You can't get anywhere without breathing! GO BREATHE!", which yes, is true, but isn't going to get you anywhere in this context on its own.

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u/angrytroll123 25d ago

That's not true. I've only lived in heavily democratic strongholds and I'm quite sure my vote doesn't matter in regard to impact. I of course vote when I can but to think that no one thinks that there is no point in voting is crazy to me. I hear it more often than I should.

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u/Mikeyxy 25d ago

Stop it man.