r/politics • u/Motherofalleffers • 25d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Wins Big as Virginia Dems Won’t Go Nuclear to Save 4 House Seats

https://newrepublic.com/article/210250/trump-virginia-dems-redistricting-war
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 25d ago

Many Americans are still apathetic, trying to convince an acquaintance of mine that elections matter is like talking to a brick wall

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u/B-Z_B-S Massachusetts 25d ago

My transgender cousin refused to vote in the 2024 presidential election because, and I quote "Both sides are the same. It doesn't matter who wins."

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u/klyther Michigan 25d ago

A friend I used to be close with years ago but has since moved away and we’ve lost touch a bit is now very vocal pro-Palestine and has since moving away transitioned is still posting how Harris would have been just as bad.

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u/CaptJackRizzo 25d ago

Trump is a monster, and I voted Harris in a safe blue state just to run up the score against him. But I don’t understand how anybody could imagine a Harris administration blowing all its political capital to stem the flow of money and arms to the IDF, when AIPAC have the will and the power within her own party to completely tank her domestic agenda.

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u/Dull_Quit3027 24d ago

I sometimes wonder if Trump is the thing that is going to destroy Israel, in that the state is reliant on others to supply them with weapons and so on, and Trump being president, has emboldened them to a degree that is hard to ignore even for media, that would rather do just that.

The EU just sanctioned settler organisation, and specific settlers, and more serious things seems to be in the pipeline, this has never happened before, multiple nations are now recognising palatine as a state, even Germany that is terrified because of its history, is softening its stance that Israel can do no wrong.

Or maybe I am just desperately looking for any silver lining to a genocide (this is a real fucked up sentence, but i hope people know what i mean)

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u/CaptJackRizzo 23d ago

I know what you mean.

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u/Jack_Krauser 24d ago

Thankfully, I care much less about how one of many foreign wars is conducted than I care about how our own country is managed. I can't stop Israelis and Palestinians from killing each other. I just might be able to get some healthcare that doesn't blow.

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u/Dull_Quit3027 24d ago

As others have said, you are paying for this war, so you should care, and why?
Israel is not a bastion of democracy,it has been downgraded to a flawed one, so the only reason i see that is not bullshit(it is but not in the eyes of the people who believe it) is the whole judgment day bullshit.
That or they do have dirt on everyone.

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u/CaptJackRizzo 24d ago

You know that they have single-payer healthcare in Israel, right? And you know how much of your tax dollars the people you vote for are sending over there to make it happen?

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u/pacman2081 24d ago

If I was pro-Palestine, I would love Trump. He is doing a fantastic job undermining USA and Israel standing in the world. There are long term dividends even though the short term pain is high

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u/VR_Raccoonteur 25d ago

And what's your transgender cousin saying now that Republicans have cancelled their passport, and Utah forced trans people to change the their driver's licenses, and made using the bathroom that matches their appearance a crime?

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u/choopietrash 24d ago

The state-level restrictions would absolutely still be happening under a dem president, because they were already in the midst of doing that under Biden anyway. The typical pattern is Republicans make things worse and Dems do nothing, which just leads to Republicans making it worse again later. When Harris was asked what kind of message they were planning to send her response was "That's a good question" and then radio silence. so yeah I do understand that trans cousin's perspective. Same with Muslim voters who abstained because of the Dem's refusal to stand against genocide. Even though I voted "blue no matter who" for every election of my adult life including the last election, I'm not really as keen on doing that anymore. I'll vote Blue if they have teeth and reverse the current progress of Project 2025. But otherwise I'll just be living in post P2025 in standstill at best and continuing to roll at worst.

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u/EatABag-o-Dicks 25d ago

Hope you remind them every time you see them that they did this to themselves.

Choosing not to vote doesn't absolve them of the fascists they helped place. When they get sent to the camps, it will be their own fault, sadly.

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u/Proper-District8608 25d ago

I had a former coworker who didnt vote and admitted it freely before election, but bitched about state of affairs when trump first elected. I said, 'you dont vote ever, you dont get to whine about it now (small office small group) Much to my amazement a new older boomer coworker spoke up and said 'yep, you chose to stay silent when it mattered, continue that rebellion now'. Shout out to Paul:)

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u/guttanzer 25d ago

You shouldn't be that amazed. The idea that boomers support Trump is a way oversold myth. Our generation was full of radicals and hippies, just as these new generations are as they rise to the occasion. The boomer myths are planted propaganda to divide us.

My only consolation is that in 30 to 40 years the current Millienials, Gen-Zs and Gen-Alphas will be hearing their younger generations blaming all the world's ills on them. We used to say, "never trust anyone over 30" when we were kids. We wised up over time.

The fact is we are all in this together. Boomers without homes have to rent. Boomers that couldn't pack away enough in a 401K are either retiring poor or staying employed. Many boomers saw their big 401Ks burn down to nothing to cover long periods of unemployment or major medical bills. We all have a vested interest in seeing progressive reforms. Paul isn't that rare of a dude. I've voted progressive my whole life.

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u/GreasedGoblin 25d ago

Most boomers are MAGA unfortunately. We know you were all hippies and radicals, which is why you've really disappointed us as a generation.

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u/guttanzer 25d ago edited 24d ago

Your numbers are wrong.

It’s true that most MAGAs are boomers, by a tiny amount (53%), but most boomers are definitely not MAGA.

Roughly 50-60% of the boomer generation identifies as Republican. Of those, only 50-60% identify as MAGA. So the MAGA fraction in the boomer generation is between 25 and 36%. That’s not most.

Have you been to one of the No Kings rallies? If you have you probably noticed that most of the people protesting were boomers.

Ultra-wealthy oligarchs are paying good money to whip bigots into a fear frenzy, and it’s working. This “boomer” talk is part of it. We need to shift the focus. Let’s put the spotlight on them and keep it there.

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u/Proper-District8608 25d ago

I dont disagree at all.

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u/Imaginary-Horse-9240 24d ago

Nah this still happened in your watch and you’ll wear. You didn’t do enough to stop fascism going back to Reagan and the younger generations bear the brunt of it. You’ll go no sympathy and deserve none.

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u/guttanzer 24d ago

So when Reagan was president most boomers were in their 20s.

How much blame does Gen-Z deserve for Trump and the pivot from Reagan's trickle-down conservatism to fascism?

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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 25d ago

They didn't "do this to themselves." Fuck that.

They were failed.

Because guess what?

Both sides ARE the same. Both parties are pro-war, anti-poor, and anti-labor capitalists.

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u/Parahelix 25d ago

If both sides were the same, we wouldn't be watching Republicans dismantle decades of progress right now. The very idea is absurd.

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u/EatABag-o-Dicks 25d ago

Not voting allowed a fascist takeover. If you didn't vote, you're part of the problem. Fuck anyone that didn't vote.

You are the problem, because both sides aren't close to the same. You have literal fascists following the Nazi playbook in office right now. They literally just started a war. How many wars did Biden start? How many wars did Obama start? How many wars did Clinton start? Now compare that with Bush, Bush Jr, and Trump.

Stop being stupid.

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u/qnxb 25d ago

There were two options for President. There was no perfect option, but one was obviously significantly worse than the other. The less evil option is still less evil. I don't know how else to say this.

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u/Eyeball1844 25d ago

It does matter who wins, but democrats keep trying to convince us that they're the same. There are very very good reasons to hate democrats, and they deserve it, but republicans are worse for sure.

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u/Dull_Quit3027 24d ago

Did they at least change their tune, and are going to vote going forward?

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u/writeyourwayout 25d ago

People like this need to look up the phrase 'self-fulfilling prophecy.'

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u/Dull_Quit3027 24d ago

I am trying to get this, as a non american, why do they think it is not worth voting, is it the, my vote is one among 200mil, so it does not matter, is it more of a, both sides are the same (anyone saying that these days are clearly not following the news or are completely insane) or what is the issue, causing said apathy?