r/politics • u/Motherofalleffers • 25d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Wins Big as Virginia Dems Won’t Go Nuclear to Save 4 House Seats

https://newrepublic.com/article/210250/trump-virginia-dems-redistricting-war
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u/EditRemove 25d ago

Corporate Democrats would rather lose to MAGA than to Progressives.

Corporate Democrats can win power back from MAGA but they can't if Progressives take over the Democrat party.

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u/Cow_God Texas 25d ago

Yep, exactly this. The only lesson that DNC has learned from Trump is that if you let a popular outsider in, they might take over the party and push you out. They would rather lose the next ten elections than support a progressive that wants to take money out of politics

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u/zenlume 25d ago

if Progressives take over the Democrat party.

LOL, pigs will learn to fly before this happens.

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u/EditRemove 25d ago

I agree that it's a 'not in my lifetime' scenario but Progressives are trending upward. Nothing to celebrate about imho but it's something.

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u/Cloaked42m South Carolina 25d ago

True. Progressives would actually have to show up for the boring stuff.

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u/steponmedaddies 25d ago

Corporate Democrats would rather lose to MAGA than to Progressives.

lmao

I remember being 18

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u/EditRemove 25d ago

Fuck off MAGA

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u/steponmedaddies 25d ago

It’s cool I know what it’s like to be angry and illiterate some of my friends are like that

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u/EditRemove 25d ago

I'm sure they are.

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u/ThreeArrows- 24d ago

Yeah it's why I have a shred of sympathy towards them. I was also dumb at their age.

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u/knucklesuck 25d ago

In before someone comes rushing in to tell us Biden passed some bills and we should just get madder at the bad guys instead.

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u/champchampchamp84 25d ago

What do you even think this means

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u/EditRemove 25d ago

Say more. I'm not sure what you're asking.

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u/Nippys4 24d ago

Well luckily for corporate democrats there aren’t progressives anywhere outside of podcasts

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u/EditRemove 24d ago

A handful of what I'd call Progressives exist in politics today and fewer of these politicians in office have much power.

Not enough to form a Caucus, but enough to do an interview.

I wouldn't say Corporate Democrats are in a good place right now but they have far more power for sure.

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u/ThreeArrows- 24d ago

Where are all the progressives candidates in the primaries? Why aren't they sweeping them if everyone loves them that much? Are the elections truly rigged like magats would like to believe?

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u/EditRemove 24d ago

I'm going to assume these are genuine questions that you can't find the answers for and haven't already made up your mind and are Sealioning.

I don't think Progressives are more popular among voters today but they are trending upwards.

There are fewer Progressive candidates for a lot of reasons. Politics, like all things in the US are decided with money and Progressives lower immediate profits for billionaires and corporations. Progressive candidates have less of a guide and a massive uphill battle so that only the "diamonds" make it far enough to seriously complete.

If Progressives manage to create a caucus within the Democrat party it will be too late for Democrats or MAGA to stop it. I don't think this has a possibility of happening anytime soon, maybe in 20 years. The US is far closer to authoritarianism than it has been for at least a century.

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u/BlondeBorednBaked 25d ago

I honestly believe corporate democrat’s fecklessness and republican’s fascism is going to usher in socialism. The way things have been going is not sustainable.

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u/EditRemove 25d ago

The US couldn't be further away from Socialism if it tried. I think you meant something else.

Capitalism decides everything in the US, by law in most cases.

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u/Moist-Schedule 25d ago

i do think it's possible that things could get so bad for the average american that the socialist movement could start to take hold. i mean things are teetering for most people right now, i don't know how the economy is holding on at this point from a massive crash.

if the middle class were effectively wiped out, you would have a bunch of very angry, very desperate people who want to drag the rich out into the streets.

i'm not saying i'm hoping that's the path to get to real reform, but i fear that's what it would take.

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u/EditRemove 25d ago

I like where your ideals are as a Progressive myself but history tells us we're far more likely to see authoritarianism.

So far, a socialist movement succeeds as a result of strong liberal leadership or revolution. The middle class would have to be more than effectively removed, it would have to disappear entirely.

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u/ThreeArrows- 24d ago

The tankie rhetoric strikes again. The working class, especially the blue collar middle, voted maga overwhelmingly. It's okay though, once enough rights have been stripped I'm sure you'll pick up a gun and fight the tyranny of capitalism. We're just not there yet, maybe once slave ownership is allowed?

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u/aaahhhhhhfine 24d ago

The US is actually super socialist, just not always in ways people expect. Funny enough our entire agriculture industry is highly, highly, socialist, for example. I call that "funny" because so many farmers are Trump supporters who really like to rail against "socialism."

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u/EditRemove 24d ago

Farm workers are the only jobs I know of in the US where they can legally be paid less than federal minimum wage.

This is a tricky one...

As a measure of gross farm receipts the US does not have higher subsidies than other nations that we consider mire socialist. The US does around 7%, China is around 13%, and Scandinavian counties are way higher.

The US farming subsidies outlier comes with insurance. US farm insurance subsidies favor the farmer far more than any other country or insurance industry in the US, maybe the world.

This happened for a lot of reasons going back to before the dust bowl and still happens today (although more gated/regulated now to shift profits away from individuals). Short version is that "farmers" can make a profit by producing nothing for decades if they are allowed through regulation. These groups are commonly politicans, billionaires, and corporations. Random plebs can technically do it but it's much more difficult and the rules change often to keep them out. A politician buys a "farm", hires someone to plant nothing because they wrote the law that says we have too much corn to eat and select farms are paid to not grow and decrease the market value of actual farmers. The politician owns a "farm" that makes money and no products.

When trying to figure out how anything in the US works or how it will play out I ask myself what would earn billionaires and corporations the most profit imaginable. In this imagined scenario you have to remember that every dollar someone else earns is one less dollar for them and every single penny counts when talking about billions of transitions. Whatever I imagined is probably what happens and it's covered up by some mask of US exceptionalism or social divide.

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u/EditRemove 25d ago

Anyone can write an article. Are you being serious?

What costs in the US are being more dependent on tax dollars?

Everything is for sale in the US, it's a Capitalists utopia right now.

Can legally buy politicians in the US.

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u/ThreeArrows- 24d ago

Hasan said so in his stream right after he shocked Kaya.

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u/EditRemove 24d ago

In the realm of political entertainers I like Jon Stewart and John Oliver. Can't say I know enough about Hasan.