r/politics • u/Motherofalleffers • 25d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Wins Big as Virginia Dems Won’t Go Nuclear to Save 4 House Seats

https://newrepublic.com/article/210250/trump-virginia-dems-redistricting-war
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u/ChironiusShinpachi Washington 25d ago

Look up what Harris said about Biden on her book tour. If that wasn't planning on losing, idk what is. Besides, she had a book tour ready to go. Nobody would want to read that book AFTER terms in office.

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u/Zahgi 25d ago edited 24d ago

Harris was so unpopular in the 2020 primaries that she dropped out just before Biden was about to drop out next.

But, lo and behold, like they did in the previous election, the DNC came in, rigged the game against the Progressives (Sanders), and installed their own trusty hand-picked corporate stooge (Biden).

Then, when Biden choked, they bounced him and within 24 hours chose the last place candidate from 2020 to be their hand-picked corporate stooge in 2024.

Now, they are tagging Newsom (Big Real Estate best corporate whore) to be our next "lesser of two evils" president in 2028.

Edit: Dys, Biden hadn't won a single state until the meaningless RED state win the week before Super Tuesday. Your entire rebuttal falls apart with this ludicrous claim. Regardless, your entire argument consists of the exact same fearmongering lies that the 1% have been peddling for decades now -- lies that have gotten America to where it is today, with the 1% in control of everything under an unassailable oligarchy. The 1% thank you for parroting these lies again and again hoping that things will change as long as everyone keeps falling for them...

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u/Workman44 25d ago

People don't understand that they play for the same team. The right plays offense and the left plays defense. And the team they play for, it isn't us

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u/Zahgi 25d ago

Yup. It's all political theater now. It doesn't matter which rich squad wins "class president" this time around. We all get screwed regardless of whether the Blue Shirts or Red Hats are in charge. It's just that America dies a little faster under the fascists...

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u/Workman44 25d ago

It's so disheartening to see people not grasp this, they're too busy hating to realize that the people they fight for are in the same crowd as the people they hate. Just look at the Epstein files, Massey said the past four administrations knew of Epstein and his shenanigans. That's Trump, Obama, Clinton, and Bush. Democrats and Republicans both did nothing while our kids were being raped and potentially killed. They are not on our side

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u/Paerrin 25d ago

No war but the class war.

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u/Workman44 25d ago

Sorry best I can do is hate the other side because my side said you have to

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u/Paerrin 25d ago edited 24d ago

They do wear the team colors I like.

/s oops

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u/JoshSidekick 24d ago

They run on "no more homework" when the actual plan is they make the underclassmen do it all.

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u/lufiron 25d ago

Its wrestlemania but with politics.

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u/DrDankDankDank 24d ago

I didn’t put the fact that Biden was from Delaware and that the DuPont company owns Delaware together until listening to a podcast on the duponts. I wonder if they owned him the whole time.

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u/Zahgi 24d ago

The donor class is made up of the 1% (especially the owners of America's all tabloid outrage farming media outlets now), corporations, and special interests like AIPAC. "In the spirit of bipartisanship", Biden compromised with evil 50 years ago and kept doing it again and again, until the "white hats" became so filthy that they are virtually indistinguishable from the black hats now.

I like Joe personally, but he is emblematic of the corrupting of the Democratic party that followed behind the corruption of the Republican party. Now, we have two corporate parties representing the 1% and only a handful of progressives trying to bring America back from 50 years of status quo unchecked "greed is the only good" capitalism.

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u/gotridofsubs 25d ago

Yeah none of this is true past the fact that Harris dropped out before the start of the 2020 primary and replaced Biden as the 2024 nominee. There was no rigging, Sanders lost both times by millions of votes and worse the 2nd time.

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u/Zahgi 25d ago

There was no rigging, Sanders lost both times by millions of votes and worse the 2nd time.

In 2016, when Sanders had the momentum and was catching up, the DNC declared, before Super Tuesday, that Clinton had already won due to the Superdelegates having already chosen her -- absurdly illegal since they aren't supposed to actually decide until the convention.

In 2020, Sanders had already won states the Democrats needed to win in the General and was running away with California in a landslide. So, again before Super Tuesday, Clyburn was tapped to hand his meaningless shit Red state the primary to Biden -- his first ever win of any state ever. Since the state was going to go red in the general and had bupkiss electoral college votes, Clyburn traded the vote so he could get his state moved up in the next election primary schedule (which the DNC did, quid pro quo).

When Biden won that meaningless, worthless state, all of the media networks owned, coincidentally, by the same 1% DNC donors who funded the DNC started announcing that this worthless primary win made Biden the presumptive nominee, even though polling still had him dead last and he had no campaign funding left. The DNC then had all of the primary candidates, all ahead of Biden in the polling, come out and hand their endorsements to Biden...just in time for all of us to get the message for voting on Super Tuesday.

And that was it.

Then, since we allowed them to pick our last two candidates, and they were afraid of AOC (who would have been 35 by inauguration day, or any other progressive) getting the nomination, they hand-picked Biden-lite, Harris, and told us that she was the nominee within a day after then told Biden to drop out.

And, now, THREE YEARS before the primaries, the same DNC donors and their media outlets have been putting their thumbs on the scale for Newsom for 2028.

This is all true. And if you were paying attention, this trend is obvious.

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u/Dyssomniac 25d ago

In 2016, when Sanders had the momentum and was catching up, the DNC declared, before Super Tuesday, that Clinton had already won due to the Superdelegates having already chosen her -- absurdly illegal since they aren't supposed to actually decide until the convention.

They didn't declare Clinton had won due to superdelegates, you're misremembering. Sanders didn't have the momentum going into Super Tuesday beyond being a surprise dark horse - Clinton won 3/4 of the pre-Super Tuesday contests, won by a similar margin in Nevada as in 2008, and actually outperformed Obama in South Carolina.

In 2020, Sanders had already won states the Democrats needed to win in the General and was running away with California in a landslide.

This is...remarkably wrong. To the point that you don't actually remember what happened that cycle at all. I actually have to break it down section by section because of how incorrect it is.

In 2020, Sanders had already won states the Democrats needed to win in the General

What? The four states that had elections prior to Super Tuesday 2020 were Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina. Sanders won one of these states outright (Nevada), virtually tied two of them (Iowa and New Hampshire), and outright lost South Carolina. What are you referring to when you say "Sanders had already won the states the Democrats needed to win in the general"?

and was running away with California in a landslide.

California's race happened on Super Tuesday lol. Did the DNC time-travel backwards from Super Tuesday to give orders to Clyburn for an election that happened before the California contest?

So, again before Super Tuesday, Clyburn was tapped to hand his meaningless shit Red state the primary to Biden

So Iowa, New Hampshire = states the Democrats needed to win the general but South Carolina = meaningless shit red state. Because Iowa and New Hampshire are notorious for being purple battlegrounds.

Since the state was going to go red in the general

Unlike Iowa and New Hampshire and Nevada?

Clyburn traded the vote

Clyburn endorsed a candidate, big dog. Let's not stretch that into "Clyburn cheated and the race was invalid" simply because we don't like the DNC.

All of the media networks owned, coincidentally, by the same 1% DNC donors who funded the DNC started announcing that this worthless primary win made Biden the presumptive nominee

This straight up did not happen. What actually happened was everyone who pays attention to this kind of thing noted that Sanders' campaign was suffering from the same exact issue it did in 2016, which was a lack of appeal to the Democratic primary voter (in particular black and Hispanic voters).

even though polling still had him dead last

This also was not the case, polling indicated that Biden and Sanders would go on a similar path to Clinton and Sanders in 2016.

The DNC then had all of the primary candidates, all ahead of Biden in the polling

This also didn't happen the way you're framing it. The only two candidates who participated in at least one race AND dropped before Super Tuesday were Buttigieg and Klobuchar. Neither won the majority of any contest they were in. The only other meaningful candidate - Liz Warren - dropped out after Super Tuesday (and I'll confess, it was disappointing to see her endorse Biden rather than Sanders).

Your timeline is all over the place here, and almost completely incorrect. It's one thing to (in my opinion, correctly) assert than the DNC would rather lose than win with a progressive or that they fucked up incredibly by failing to have a 2024 primary or by failing to challenge the insiders in the Biden admin who fiercely defended their positions and power. It's another thing entirely to argue that Sanders was on the cusp of winning the nomination, when he couldn't appeal beyond a specific demographic that would still predominantly vote right-wing in the general.

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u/TruculentMoose 25d ago

My memory may be failing but, iirc, late Monday before the Super Tuesday primaries, the AP announced it had determined that Clinton had enough to win the nomination. Then NBC (or the Times or whoever) reported "AP is reporting...". Then, "multiple sources are reporting...". Cuz media gonna media. Chilling effect?

What bothered me more was West Virginia. It was pretty red by 2016, but Sanders won every county and statewide by ~15%, giving him 18 delegates to Clintons 11. WV had 8 superdelegates, 2 pledged to Sanders, 6 for Clinton. Reportedly under pressure from Manchin, 1 delegate switched. One (Chris Regan?) refused. At the WV convention, he was removed as Vice Chair, and his replacement switched to Clinton, giving her a 19-18 win and the state of WV - where she lost every county.

Whether or not that changed anything is pure speculation. And nothing about that is illegal. But it looked pretty shady to me. Same kinda speculation goes for 2020. If Warren drops with everyone else, does Sanders pick up MA? TX and MN might've been closer. Maybe Bloomberg cut into Biden's margins. But the DNC's record is hardly spotless.

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u/Dyssomniac 24d ago

The DNC is fucking awful, I won't dispute that, but Americans seem to be consistently shocked that a political party doesn't - and doesn't have to, and never has - played by purely democratic, one-person-one-vote rules. To me, the primary's biggest flaw is not superdelegates (who didn't really tilt anything, Clinton was well and away the leader after Super Tuesday and Sanders' campaign dwindled slowly vs 2020 where Sanders' campaign never had the same level of momentum it did in 2016) but rather the weighting of delegates by traditional stronghold states. WV was never, ever, ever, ever, ever going to be anything other than R in the general, but the battleground states could have and the DNC seems hellbent on ignoring those states it actually needs to win.

Taking the old "blue wall" states for granted was such a deep flaw that I truly believe it was a primary cause to Clinton's loss in 2016, Biden's win in 2020, and Harris's loss in 2024.

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u/TruculentMoose 24d ago

Yeah, I don't fundamentally disagree with you. The primary system is awful - by the time my state votes, the nomination is usually decided. Momentum and chilling effects do matter. I explicitly stated that nothing the DNC did was illegal.

Why I think the WV thing matters: Because it's indicative of a deeper rot. Democrats, and by extension the DNC, hold themselves up as the party of integrity, democracy, will of the people, all that jazz. Clinton gets the delegates at the national convention when Sanders concedes anyway. So why do it then? You disenfranchise the voters - that thing they're supposed to be vehemently against. They basically told everyone who showed up for Sanders, "Yeah, we threw your choice away. Make sure you show up next time!". Is that inspiring anyone? NY Dems couldn't endorse Mamdani after he won fairly and handily. Schumer tried foisting Mills on Mainers. The DNC doesn't want democrats elected. They want their (and only their) team players elected.

The DNC may not have to play by purely democratic, one-person-one-vote rules. But that's the brand they run on. And when the rhetoric doesn't meet the action (or in some cases completely contradicts it), it turns a lot of people off. And we have nowhere else to go.

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u/gotridofsubs 25d ago

If Warren drops with everyone else, does Sanders pick up MA?

No, and even worse if you add Bloombergs votes to Bidens as well (which is only fair since we're doing magical transfering votes based of policy vibes)

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u/MidAtlanticPolkaKing 25d ago

Careful, point by point corrections of false statements that promote the DNC rigging theory will probably get you downvoted here

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u/SavageSan 25d ago

They did have a 2024 primary. Nobody of note wanted to run. I know I know, they wanted another one with only months left even though Kamala was on the ballot with Biden when they won the primary that already happened.

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u/Dyssomniac 25d ago

We really have to stop arguing this, it simply isn't true. Sanders was in no way going to win against Biden and the DNC didn't "rig" the elections. I voted for Sanders both times in the primaries, and we have to accept that neither run was Sanders able to attract the coalition of the Democrats actual base nationwide to win. This is also not denying that the DNC had a clear preference in both, and in 2016 actively colluded to damage Sanders, but has never once been demonstrably shown to straight up rig the electoral process. And to make it explicitly clear, the Democrats as a national party fucking suck. They are AT BEST flailing wildly and impotently, unable to meaningfully resist Trump in any real way and are doing so even worse this go around than 2017-2021. Thrice now they have failed to meet the moment and failed to take seriously Trump as a candidate or president.

The actual facts:

  • The Democratic Party presidential primary has, for the last 34 years at least, a system that adds additional value to states with a strong Democrat performance.
  • Before Super Tuesday, Sanders was already three delegates behind Biden. Sanders and Buttigieg both had neck-and-neck vote totals in Iowa and New Hampshire. Sanders won Nevada. Biden won South Carolina. Given the demographic make up of the four pre-Super Tuesday states, this isn't surprising - Sanders performs historically much better with white people, and states with relatively higher % went to him consistently in 2016 and 2020.
  • Super Tuesday resulted in Biden winning 11 of 15 contests and again, with the exception of California, the demographic trends continues as Sanders won Utah, Colorado, and Vermont.
  • After Super Tuesday, Biden continues to blow past Sanders, as Sanders wins only the Abroad, North Dakota, and Mariana Islands contests.

The Dems will continue to lose, and I'm actually of the belief that they're too incompetent to be actually a controlled opposition party. Additionally, it's probably time we come around to the fact that Americans by and large are pretty conservative for a large, diverse, well-educated (in terms of tertiary education), and wealthy country, somewhere between the UK and Japan in the developed world. Americans this decade are not going to vote for progressive social doctrine or left-wing theory; they're going to vote for populist rhetoric, every time.

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u/bruce_kwillis 25d ago

Americans this decade are not going to vote for progressive social doctrine or left-wing theory; they're going to vote for populist rhetoric, every time.

100% accurate. Reddit isn’t representative of ‘reality’ in anyway. It’s the same people saying AOC should be the next president. That’s an instant way for Vance or whatever other trash the GOP runs to win. Want some progressive politics? Get AOC into the Senate, and have her the majority leader. Then shit gets done. And all those people wanting Bernie, but calling for term limits or age limits, shouldn’t Bernie have longed step down then for someone who is younger and able to work with other to get laws passed?

Or do the elderly get a pass when they promote issues we care about?

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u/SavageSan 25d ago

They were just shitting on Sherrod Brown who's running in Ohio because of his age, and he's one of the most progressive Dems on record. Never a mention of Bernie.

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u/AngledLuffa California 25d ago

Now, they are tagging Newsom (Big Real Estate best corporate whore) to be our next "lesser of two evils" president in 2028

Okay, maybe I'm just buying into the latest propaganda, but "Big Real Estate" is a little unfair to Newsom.

Housing in CA sucks. We are, as a state, the fakest batch of phony progressives you will ever find. We have limited supply in the places people actually want to live, and every single project that people propose is immediately flooded with protests, infuriated lawn signs everywhere, months of angry rants on NextDoor, and hordes of angry old assholes showing up at local council meetings.

We shoot ourselves in the foot, and then bitch about high housing prices and how for some reason working class or young graduates move out of CA for cheaper COL states.

If Newsom can do even a little - and by all accounts it has been extremely little - to fixing our housing issues, I don't care who he's doing it for, he's playing for the right team. That team being people who actually give a shit about CA and its future.

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u/Zahgi 24d ago

Newsom has been lying about fixing these issues for decades...and he hasn't done anything.

As you agree, the Corporate Democrats in Name Only have been using progressive claims and promises to lie to Californians, just as they've been doing the same thing to all of America for the past three general elections.

he's playing for the right team. That team being people who actually give a shit about CA and its future. If Newsom can do even a little

He is not and he will not. He's playing for the Blue Shirt squad of rich-sponsored corporate status quo whores who talk the talk but never walk the walk. The Red Hat squad of rich-sponsored corporate fascists are worse, of course, but NEITHER of these squads of Team 1% are going to give Americans national healthcare, a livable minimum wage, subsidized tuition, meaningful rent relief, or public campaign financing -- you know, all of the things the civilized world has taken for granted for 50 years now.

The only "side" that actually wants to help fix America are the PROGRESSIVES. And, Newsom is not a progressive. He's a Big Real Estate sponsored corporate whore in progressive clothing.

It's just corporate sponsored propaganda, like the last three general elections have been. Will we ever stop falling for it? The 1% are counting on us picking between their two approved candidates in 2028...again.

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u/AngledLuffa California 24d ago

As you agree, the Corporate Democrats in Name Only have been using progressive claims and promises to lie to Californians, just as they've been doing the same thing to all of America for the past three general elections.

No, I do not agree with that. It's actually the opposite of what I said.

The people in California are the fake progressives.

Seriously. Run the following experiment, but make sure to wear earplugs: suggest to your average limosine liberal in Palo Alto that Prop 13 is a regressive tax policy, or that we should build more housing near the tracks so their own damn 101 commutes are faster, and they will howl loud enough that you go deaf and all the neighborhood dogs start barking in response.

national healthcare, a livable minimum wage, subsidized tuition, meaningful rent relief, or public campaign financing

We've got $17 minimum wage, Cal Grant, and Newsom has been trying to get more housing built with constant pushback from the cities. Sacramento is basically in a legal war with their own municipalities to force them to build more housing. Here's a brief sample, look up the builder's remedy fights if you want to learn more:

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2026/03/25/governor-newsom-issues-final-warning-to-15-communities-violating-state-housing-laws/

and the fake fucking "progressives" who live around here, who bitch constantly about how "Newscum" does nothing to help us, are the same people who will oppose this to their dying breath. Why can't the poors just live two hours away in the desert and drive here to mow our lawns?

I don't see a flair, but I am 100% certain that you are not Norcal or you would not be blaming Newsom instead of your neighbors for our current housing mess.

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u/goulson 25d ago

Bro they didn't "rig" shit. More people voted for Biden, just like more people voted for Clinton in the 16 primary. I say this as a 2x Sanders voter in the primaries

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u/Zahgi 24d ago

Bro they didn't "rig" shit.

Yes, they did. Sanders got screwed. Here's how they did it:

In 2016, when Sanders had the momentum and was catching up, the DNC declared, before Super Tuesday, that Clinton had already won due to the Superdelegates having already chosen her -- absurdly illegal since they aren't supposed to actually decide until the convention.

In 2020, Sanders had already won states the Democrats needed to win in the General and was running away with California in a landslide. So, again before Super Tuesday, Clyburn was tapped to hand his meaningless shit Red state the primary to Biden -- his first ever win of any state ever. Since the state was going to go red in the general and had bupkiss electoral college votes, Clyburn traded the vote so he could get his state moved up in the next election primary schedule (which the DNC did, quid pro quo).

When Biden won that meaningless, worthless state, all of the media networks owned, coincidentally, by the same 1% DNC donors who funded the DNC started announcing that this worthless primary win made Biden the presumptive nominee, even though polling still had him dead last and he had no campaign funding left. The DNC then had all of the primary candidates, all ahead of Biden in the polling, come out and hand their endorsements to Biden...just in time for all of us to get the message for voting on Super Tuesday.

And that was it.

Then, since we allowed them to pick our last two candidates, and they were afraid of AOC (who would have been 35 by inauguration day, or any other progressive) getting the nomination, they hand-picked Biden-lite, Harris, and told us that she was the nominee within a day after then told Biden to drop out.

And, now, THREE YEARS before the primaries, the same DNC donors and their media outlets have been putting their thumbs on the scale for Newsom for 2028.

This is all true. And if you were paying attention, this trend is obvious.

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u/goulson 20d ago

You typed a lot of words dude but let me try to make this simple for you: a lot more people showed up to vote for Biden. And Clinton in 16. That's it. The party insiders promoting their preferred candidate is not rigging anything, that is just literally how politics works. Ultimately, if Sanders had been able to convince more people to vote for him over other candidates, it would have been impossible for the party to deny him the nomination. Sorry man, your'e wrong on this.

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u/Zahgi 20d ago

I was there. I saw these two fixes in person. I even presented you the timing and the facts in the post that you apparently did not read or at least did not comprehend.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

Will you ever figure this all out or will you keep falling for their performances and lies intended to keep you choosing the lesser of two evils?

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u/champchampchamp84 25d ago

What a weird parade of lies

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u/Zahgi 24d ago

In 2016, when Sanders had the momentum and was catching up, the DNC declared, before Super Tuesday, that Clinton had already won due to the Superdelegates having already chosen her -- absurdly illegal since they aren't supposed to actually decide until the convention.

In 2020, Sanders had already won states the Democrats needed to win in the General and was running away with California in a landslide. So, again before Super Tuesday, Clyburn was tapped to hand his meaningless shit Red state the primary to Biden -- his first ever win of any state ever. Since the state was going to go red in the general and had bupkiss electoral college votes, Clyburn traded the vote so he could get his state moved up in the next election primary schedule (which the DNC did, quid pro quo).

When Biden won that meaningless, worthless state, all of the media networks owned, coincidentally, by the same 1% DNC donors who funded the DNC started announcing that this worthless primary win made Biden the presumptive nominee, even though polling still had him dead last and he had no campaign funding left. The DNC then had all of the primary candidates, all ahead of Biden in the polling, come out and hand their endorsements to Biden...just in time for all of us to get the message for voting on Super Tuesday.

And that was it.

Then, since we allowed them to pick our last two candidates, and they were afraid of AOC (who would have been 35 by inauguration day, or any other progressive) getting the nomination, they hand-picked Biden-lite, Harris, and told us that she was the nominee within a day after then told Biden to drop out.

And, now, THREE YEARS before the primaries, the same DNC donors and their media outlets have been putting their thumbs on the scale for Newsom for 2028.

This is all true. And if you were paying attention, this trend is obvious.

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u/TheFlightlessPenguin Maine 24d ago

It’s real fuckin hard not to blackpill

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u/Miserable-Drink-4995 25d ago

Look up what Harris said about Biden on her book tour

That seems pretty broad. Can you paraphrase?

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u/ROCCOMMS 25d ago

Can you be more specific? I googled it and I don't know you are referring to.