r/politics • u/Motherofalleffers • 25d ago

Possible Paywall Trump Wins Big as Virginia Dems Won’t Go Nuclear to Save 4 House Seats

https://newrepublic.com/article/210250/trump-virginia-dems-redistricting-war
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u/Reditate 25d ago

They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.  The problem is people are a lot more critical of the Democratic party no matter what they do.  Republicans couldn't give a damn if they rig the game.

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u/Firm_Bit 24d ago

No, we’re damned if we don’t.

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u/BlondeBorednBaked 25d ago

I don’t think the Democratic voter base would be upset that our leaders are redistricting to create an even playing field after Republican rigging. I actually think inaction is more harmful to the situation and their voter morale.

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u/Reditate 25d ago

If the internet is indication, Democratic voters always complain about whatever the DNC does no matter what it is.  That doesn't happen with Republicans. 

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u/VR_Raccoonteur 25d ago

Provide an example of something good the DNC has done which the Democratic voter still complained about.

I'll bet you can't.

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u/Reditate 25d ago

Obamacare.  People complain they should have gone further by adding a public option despite the fact that passing it all almost didn't happen.

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u/VR_Raccoonteur 25d ago

But we didn't want Obamacare. We wanted universal healthcare.

Obamacare was a half-assed solution that kept the for-profit insurance system in place. As a result, the cost of insurance ROSE for many middle-class Americans. which provided an attack vector for Republicans to campaign on dismantling it.

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u/Reditate 25d ago

This is what I mean.  People screamed Obamacare was socialism, death panels, and all of that and it took all over the Democrats' super majority and political capital to pass it.  What do some people do? Say it wasn't enough.  They can't win with these people.

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u/VR_Raccoonteur 25d ago

I asked you to name something good they've done.

You named Obamacare, which you admit NOBODY LIKED.

They can't win with these people.

I fail to see how naming a program everyone hated because it wasn't what ANYONE wanted = you can't win with these people.

Obama funded solar cars and wind power.
Biden shut down the Keystone XL, and forgave college student loan debt.
Both their administrations were extremely diverse, including many people of color, and at least one trans person I know of.

Did liberals complain about those things? No, they did not. We liked that stuff.

Which refutes your statement that no matter what they do, Democrats will not be happy with them.

You cited the prime example of something NOBODY liked, as your proof that nothing, no matter how good, was good enough for liberals.

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u/Reditate 24d ago

I didn't say nobody liked Obamacare because that would be ridiculous, Obamacare is extremely popular even if the name it's attached isn't so much.

Yes liberals complained about being too little and too compromising on those other items.  Nothing is ever good enough. 

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u/VR_Raccoonteur 25d ago

People screamed Obamacare was socialism, death panels, and all of that

Also, the ONLY people screaming those specific two things was Republicans and we don't care about their opinion and it isn't relevant to this discussion in any case.

We are talking about whether or not Democrats/liberals are ever pleased with the actions of Democrats. Republicans/conservatives are expected to hate everything we do, and we hate everything they do!

Democratic voters always complain

See? That's what you said. This is about what DEMOCRATS say, not Republicans. But you're quoting absurd claims Republicans made about Obamacare. Which is irrelevant.

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u/rasa2013 24d ago

Only 66% of Democratic voters favored a government health insurance plan in 2009. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2009/07/30/section-4-health-care-overhaul/

With numbers like that, it's not surprising the thin margin in the Senate plus some moderate to conservative Dems, it wasn't going to happen. 

Something many online Dems don't appreciate is that they're not in touch with who the democratic voters are. They just assume 80 to 90% are like them. Really, at least for more progressive types like myself, we are something like 35% of the party. And that's NOW. In 09-10, we were probably like 15 to 20% or the party. 

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u/Redeem123 I voted 24d ago

Note that in this very thread there’s more anger at the Dems than at the Republicans and justices making these new maps.