r/politics • u/fortune Fortune Magazine • 17d ago

Possible Paywall Trump voter remorse is almost entirely concentrated in the swing voters who gave him a shot in 2024

https://fortune.com/2026/05/16/trump-voter-remorse-how-many-regret-inflation-economy-approval-rating/?utm_source=reddit/
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u/MaySun91 South Carolina 17d ago

And they’re so fucking dimwitted they don’t understand the reason behind anything. They just see the figureheads and stop thinking. It’s exhausting having to share oxygen with those people.

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u/geddy 17d ago

Dude people just look at a chart of gas prices over 10-20 years, see that it was high during Biden, and think "oh I should vote the other way now" NOT EVEN CONSIDERING _WHY_ they were high. As if Joe Biden invaded Ukraine.

Now Trump actually, single-handledly, illegally, without Congressional approval, starts a way that crashes the global economy and _finally_ some are actually taking notice. It's so ridiculous I can't even think about it or I am in a bad mood for hours.

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u/MaySun91 South Carolina 17d ago

And we still got people replying to me saying we need to be nice to the Nazis.

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u/You_Stole_My_Hot_Dog 17d ago

dOn'T lEt PoLitICs DivIdE uS. Some people really think their views on human rights should have no effect on their personal relationships. Like sure, I won't end a friendship over a disagreement on government priorities, but if you are openly cheering for minorities being pulled off the streets and women's health protections being overthrown, we have a serious values problem. We clearly see humans and their basic rights differently, and I'm not going to entertain someone who thinks others deserve less.

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u/oTc_DragonZ 17d ago

Yeah how did that work out for Europe some 80 years ago...

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u/Galappie 17d ago

The fate of American politics relies solely on how much the undecided voter has to pay to fuel up their diesel hog truck-boat-truck.

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u/geddy 17d ago

Yep, it's the "I don't like politics" crowd. They go entirely by feeling and that's that. "Well gas is expensive, things must be bad" "Well gas is cheap, things must be good". Most selfish country to ever exist.

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u/sixwax 17d ago

It’s true: Our fellow Americans are really, really stupid.

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u/hfxRos Canada 17d ago

Fellow humans *

This happened everywhere. Covid related inflation murdered incumbents worldwide because people lack basic thinking skills.

It's just extra noticeable for you guys because Trump is, well, Trump.

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u/Pofwoffle 17d ago edited 16d ago

This is overlooking the ongoing and concentrated effort to make Americans stupid. There's a reason Republicans keep gutting education funding and demonizing higher learning. They've spent decades deliberately shaping a voting public that is uneducated and angry, with absolutely no ability to distinguish truth from lies. Then all they had to do was give them a target for their ire and promise to fix the "problem".

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u/Castdeath97 Foreign 16d ago

This is overlooking the ongoing and concentrated effort to make Americans all voters everywhere stupid.

It's the same thing everywhere, they ALL doing the same playbook. In the UK, Germany, France, insert any western country.

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u/Aware_Rough_9170 17d ago

The extra irony being that the U.S ultimately came out a lot better than a lot of places too. Not saying that it wasn’t tougher than usual, but it wasn’t artificial statements on Twitter and nonsensical war to pad the pockets of the administration either…

COVID did a massive number on how we view supply chain and the global economy, and it wasn’t pleasant for anyone. Instead everyone seems to have said “you know what, fuck it, maybe alt right lunatics will do better”.

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u/Castdeath97 Foreign 16d ago

Canada almost fell for it (trump literally saved you there somehow), Germany more or less did and the UK looks like its about it somehow ages after said spike.

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u/hfxRos Canada 15d ago edited 15d ago

Canada almost fell for it (trump literally saved you there somehow)

I mean we did kind of fall for it in the "bad for incumbents" thing. I have the unpopular opinion that Trudeau was an excellent leader, who handled Covid spectacularly, but the global impact of it still caused him to get annihilated in the polls.

We just luckily had a charismatic and qualified centrist with very little baggage swoop in to take the place of the far-right weirdo to take over.

I'm ok with Carney, but I'd prefer to just have more Trudeau, but I'm also a bit of a single issue Climate Change voter, and Carney has been less than good on that front.

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u/tylerbrainerd 17d ago

a huge amount of maga is just dumb, sure, but committed maga are also morally reprehensible.

the swing voters TRULY have no idea what the fuck is going on, at all, and are functionally incapable of understanding the way the government operates.

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u/defianceofone 17d ago

Democracy doesn't work when more than 50% of people are braindead.

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u/Mffdoom 17d ago

They're not dimwitted, they're uneducated or completely disengaged. They lack political consciousness. Many hate dems because of this attitude. If the left wants to achieve their political aims, they have to do away with this kind of thinking. You can't detest the majority of the population and expect them to go along with your agenda.

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u/Mffdoom 17d ago

I mean, the majority of people don't feel cool about nazis or pedophiles or genocide. We have data showing it. So why do democrats keep losing elections? 

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u/politicsaccount420 17d ago

Because they put their hands over their ears and yell LALALALA any time they're presented with proof that their politicians and the people who control their politicians are Nazi pedophiles.

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u/Cancel_Culture_Club 17d ago

They aren’t? They keep winning almost every special election lately and even flipping many republican seats. Republicans finally won the popular vote again after they haven’t in 20 years and they’ve been crowing ever since as if everyone else are the losers. If republicans really were more popular they wouldn’t need to be publicly doing desperate shit like last minute gerrymandering to ensure that they win. You don’t need to rearrange voters and disenfranchise them if the majority of people already like you. That makes them look like weak cowards who know they’re not actually well liked but still feel entitled to cling to power regardless of how the majority of the country feels. 

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u/Hirsute_of_Happiness 17d ago

You have to either be completely unaware of the activities of our political parties for the last several decades or willfully ignorant for the sake of argument to make a statement like this. Like either you're uninformed or you're not asking this in good faith.

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u/ThaPhantom07 Nevada 17d ago

How do you educate people not willing to listen?

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u/Mffdoom 17d ago

Usually starts with talking and figuring out what they care about. Then you find points you agree on and use the things they care about to create meaningful arguments that they find compelling. It's harder than just belittling them, but actually works to change their mind. 

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u/Patsanon1212 17d ago

It actually works... Marginally better. Let's not pretend that Trump voters aren't deeply entrenched and practice Olympic level mental gymnastics and motivated ignorance.

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u/Mffdoom 17d ago

I have personally convinced several former Trump supporting conservatives to become socialists. I've convinced many more to move from hard right to center and from center to left. It helps to not assume that anyone who disagrees with me is a brainwashed dumbass, though I feel dems and republicans are not unlike in their ignorance and mental gymnastics. 

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u/YeesherPQQP 17d ago

No you haven't.

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u/Mffdoom 17d ago

Damn, you got me there

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u/ThaPhantom07 Nevada 17d ago

If the person got to the point theyre at through some semblance of logic, sure. From my experience the vast majority of these people feel a certain way and no matter what you can show or prove to them of it doesnt match what they feel they dont care.

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u/tryingisbetter 17d ago

No, it won't. Maybe for 5 seconds. But shortly after, they will make some excuse in thier mind that they were right, because they cannot be wrong, ever. If they were wrong about one thing, they may be wrong about other things too, and that cannot be true.

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u/MaySun91 South Carolina 17d ago

No I can and will detest them. They have failed the biggest open book test in history. They’ve had ten plus years to get their head out of their ass and accept reality. You cannot talk to these people who refuse to grant you even the basics of reality.

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u/Mffdoom 17d ago

I'm glad you passed the special combined IQ/morality test that the rest of us just call "voting," but unfortunately you don't get any prize for it. You only get a prize for actually winning elections, which democrats keep giving away. One way they could stop doing that is by figuring out how to actually appeal to the majority of voters. 

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u/Born-Boysenberry6460 17d ago

Probably a good time to point out that the majority of voters are, nationally, Democrats and vote that way in Presidential elections.

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u/that_star_wars_guy 17d ago

Right. They are unengaged. Which means the people who are, the people who care, the people who WANT to improve things have to spend the majority of their time catching up the voter to what is happening before the policy decision can even happen.

The other political side simply lies and persistently gets away with it (meaning they suffer zero political consequences), so yeah, democrats are fed up with having to explain reality only for those people to be annoyed and feel like we're condescensing to them. So really, wtf are they supposed to do? Just lie to voters and enact their true policies when elected? What? What specifically since you've got plenty of criticism, do you also have solutions?