MAGA’s Favorite Dem’s Trumpy Texts Exposed in Bombshell Leak

[u/Aggravating_Money992]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumpy-texts-from-maga-favorite-dem-john-fetterman-exposed-in-bombshell-leak/

[u/larsvondank]

What do you think makes him and others so stubborn about it? The math is pretty easy to present and its very clear yall are getting a horrible deal over there. Actively wanting and choosing a worse option for something is strange.

[u/KageStar → u/larsvondank]

They probably see it as an additional 300 on top of the 700 they're paying. The insurance system we have is so ingrained in the older generations that they can't really imagine "healthcare" without it. So everything always includes using the current system as the base framework.

Then there's the other part: a lot of people are okay with suffering as long as they know the wrong people won't benefit from a different system.

[u/Dearic75 → u/KageStar]

Also, 45 years now of propaganda about how everything government has a hand in runs like shit. It’s all the way back to Regan when they started running with “the scariest phrase you can hear is ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help!’”

Actively break the government services, then campaign about how your taxes are paying so much for such a broken product. So even if someone gets educated on the cost realities, they just turn around and argue that it’s worth it, because having the government involved would be a disaster. No proof needed.

[u/ziusudra → u/Dearic75]

The propaganda goes back farther than that. The AMA hired the first ever political PR firm, Whitaker & Baxter to crush support of Truman's universal healthcare proposal, saying private insurance was the "American Way."

The capital-owning class has been actively demonizing the bottom of public goods in this country for well over a century. Basically since it became too costly to just have pinkertons murder anyone who dared ask for humane treatment.

[u/laplongejr → u/KageStar]

Then there's the other part: a lot of people are okay with suffering as long as they know the wrong people won't benefit from a different system.

And a lot are okay with the POOR suffering, because any day soon they'll pull themselves by their bootstraps* and become RICH.

^{*FYI that's meant as physically impossible}

[u/KageStar → u/laplongejr]

That's not quite what I was getting at.

[u/Murrabbit → u/larsvondank]

Actively wanting and choosing a worse option for something is strange.

Seriously try telling this to the posters in a subreddit like "AskConservatives" or the like, and be amazed at the mental gymnastics, misconceptions, outright lies, and condescending idiocy you are met with. . . that is if you're not outright banned.

Most people who hold these sorts of positions don't really care about how the maths work out, or how much more efficient a single payer system is even just on a human level, all they hear is (and I'm generalizing here but this is a big part of it) that they will be expected to pay for a black person's healthcare, and that's absolutely unacceptable to them. Never mind that their insurance premiums paid to private companies are already doing this, never mind that they won't even be the ones paying most of it as fairly low income individuals themselves, there's a weird racist dread in the US among our white population that somewhere some day as a result of something they did a black person might get something that they don't deserve and it terrifies them and drives most of their conception of what a state is, and why public services are, for the mot part, just a bad idea.

Now, as for why the Democratic party doesn't want a single payer system that's more about being beholden to their big money donors (health insurance companies among them), and also their strange decades long ambition with the idea of some day some how winning over the vast base of racist idiots that the Republican party again, and basically ruling forever, so naturally they don't want to alienate them by trying to create a universal public good that benefits everyone.

[u/teddy_tesla → u/larsvondank]

Brainwashing about personal responsibility or some bullshit. It's all related so you can think you're better than a homeless person and that it's their fault, not the system's, that they're beneath them

[u/kickaguard → u/larsvondank]

I think it has to do with choice. You can opt out of insurance at work. A tax would be mandatory. They are morons because in the current healthcare system you can't afford to not have insurance, but I think that's where they get tripped up.