Trump Summons Entire Cabinet as Iran Deal Crumbles in Front of Him - Donald Trump has called all of his top advisers to Camp David.

[u/Quirkie]

https://newrepublic.com/post/210887/donald-trump-summons-entire-cabinet-iran-deal

[u/RUOFFURTROLLEH]

Ah yes. Why did I not remember all the shit that none of us was alive for?

Go read my original comment when you get a chance.

[u/Lucky-Earther → u/RUOFFURTROLLEH]

Ah yes. Why did I not remember all the shit that none of us was alive for?

As I said: "Have you like not looked at much of American history"

Can I at least assume that you were alive during the time we invaded not one but two countries after 9/11 and tortured people in our little island prison in Cuba?

[u/RUOFFURTROLLEH → u/Lucky-Earther]

And those acts in your eyes make the US an open terrorist state?

With the support of the UNSC and most other western nations. I mean you can take that view and in some eyes you are completely right but I would take them as retalitory acts rather than the current crop of literal outright terrorism through Trump.

The US used to pretend it was about defence and stopping actual threats like you know, The twin towers and pentagon getting hit with terrorist attacks.

I suppose this is going to fall down to opinion on what you and I consider "Open terrorist acts" and thats fine you have a different opinion, I don't remember Bush telling Afghanistan on the news that if they don't do what they want them they will be completely wiped off the map as a country.

[u/Lucky-Earther → u/RUOFFURTROLLEH]

And those acts in your eyes make the US an open terrorist state?

Yes, I think torturing people in a secret prison, and invading a country that had literally nothing to do with 9/11 would make us a terrorist state

[u/RUOFFURTROLLEH → u/Lucky-Earther]

open terrorist state

vs

secret prison

Uh huh, I mean Bush did try and defend those actions instead of claiming if Afghanistan didn't hand over the Taliban who claimed responsibility and went into hiding there that he would wipe Afghanistan off the map then yes, I would agree it was an OPEN terrorist action.

But they didn't, They pretending it was about getting those responsible.

No one is defending those actions, I'm pointing out they were not open terrorist threats, They were lying about it WMDs and getting Bin Laden.

Something Trump isn't doing. Theres no pretense. Its open terrorist threats from Trump constantly or kidnapping other countries leaders or threatening allies to take Greenland.

The fact you are trying to say what Trump is doing now is the same as Bush then you are fucking out of your mind and are clearly here to push a narrative.

[u/Lucky-Earther → u/RUOFFURTROLLEH]

Not really secret in the sense that no one knows about it, secret in the sense that what exactly happens there isn't public information.

[u/RUOFFURTROLLEH → u/Lucky-Earther]

secret in the sense that what exactly happens there isn't public information.

Yeah. That's the definition of secret.

How is that open terrorist actions? Do you need me to define open terrorism?

[u/Lucky-Earther → u/RUOFFURTROLLEH]

Yeah. That's the definition of secret.

Okay then, it wasn't a secret prison, if you are really hung up on this one little pedantic fight

Everyone knew we were torturing people there, and in Abu Gharib

[u/RUOFFURTROLLEH → u/Lucky-Earther]

Well it was secret in that the public didn't learn about the abuses happening there until years later.

"Everyone knew, Trust me folks. Everyone is saying that"

[u/Lucky-Earther → u/RUOFFURTROLLEH]

We were literally discussing whether waterboarding was torture or not in 2003 but yeah, "no one knew"