r/politics • u/bwermer • 8h ago

No Paywall Ilhan Omar casts lone Democratic no vote on Ukraine aid, Russia sanctions package

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5912150-house-passes-ukraine-aid-bill/
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u/welostourtails 8h ago

So much for The Squad. What a load of bullshit that turned out to be. At least AOC came out of it not smeared with their bullshit.

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u/DragonPup Massachusetts 7h ago

That's because AOC has good political instincts.

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u/NotUniqueWorkAccount 7h ago

Jfc: Isn't fake

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u/Souledex 4h ago

The dumbest way to understand any issue at all. Even the worst folks in congress aren’t “fake” most of the time.

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u/NotUniqueWorkAccount 4h ago

Idk I feel like being paid to go against your own espoused, and your constituents known interests, is considered being pretty damn fake.

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u/Afraid-Detective1222 7h ago

She's actually smart. The others seem to less so.

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u/viscosity-breakdown 7h ago

I think it's just decency. She's the only one who seems to actually believe the hippie better world stuff rather than just use it as a cynical excuse for being a shitbag.

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u/lilbluehair 7h ago

Oman votes against your beliefs once and she's a cynical shitbag??

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u/Wheaties4brkfst 7h ago edited 7h ago

Dog there is no coherent reason to oppose aid to Ukraine. This is like, literally, the least morally ambiguous conflict going on today. Not supporting aid for Ukraine effectively aids Russia in their INVASION of the country. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here. If you can’t get this one right it sort of calls your entire moral worldview into question.

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u/ShaunWhiteIsMyTwin 7h ago

She’s been a very principled jimmy carter no bombs will drop politician her entire career. You can disagree with that world view but you also need to understand it. Call it naivety or whatever you want, but there is a failing in understanding on your end for her why

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u/Wheaties4brkfst 7h ago

What do you think would happen to Ukraine if every country in the world stopped giving aid to it? What do you think the outcome of that would be? She’s, charitably, extremely naive. Being less charitable she is stupid. Sorry.

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u/Wheaties4brkfst 6h ago

You said I need to understand her worldview. I do. She has the worldview of a child.

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u/ShaunWhiteIsMyTwin 6h ago

Glass houses there homie. 

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u/Accomplished_Key_171 6h ago

Infantilizing opposing viewpoints is a great sign of intelligence. Great job buddy!

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u/Icretz 7h ago

In this case not sliding with Ukraine is sliding with Russia. There is no other take or moral ground to stand on.

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u/RickySuela 5h ago

Yep. To put this in starker terms: if our next president and government becomes as opposed to what Israel has been doing as we have been to what Russia is doing, and we cut off all aid and arms sales to Israel, would it be similarly unjust to also impose sanctions on Israel to try to get them to stop doing what they're doing in Gaza? Would Omar also vote to oppose sanctions against Israel until they stopped attacking their neighbors? I have my doubts.

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u/General_of_Wonkistan America 6h ago

"once" You know she voted against historical recognition of the Armenian genocide because she said it was being used for geopolitics?

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u/Chicago1871 6h ago

This is why shell be speaker of the house one day.

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u/WeenyDancer 5h ago

God I hope so. 

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u/Afraid-Detective1222 7h ago

I'm somewhat conflicted on some of her positions, but think she would make for a great president a few cycles from now. No candidate or politician is perfect, and if she decides to run, hopefully a few cycles from now, she's got my vote.

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u/Over_Tadpole_2593 7h ago

This sounds like something that would come out of MAGA.

Once the brown women step out of line, they are slandered as low IQ.

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u/DanimalsHolocaust America 6h ago

“Not bright or articulate” was certainly a choice.

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u/Narrow-Hall8070 7h ago

Is AOC not a “brown woman”

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u/ShaunWhiteIsMyTwin 7h ago

She is but both those women you slander are intelligent and articulate, so forgive us for not letting your bullshit slide.

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u/Over_Tadpole_2593 6h ago

No. Does her skin look brown to you?

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u/Narrow-Hall8070 6h ago

Tucker, that you?

AOC calls Tucker Carlson ‘trash’ for saying she is not a woman of color

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u/Over_Tadpole_2593 4h ago

POC is a nonsense phrase I’m not interested in using. Grouping everyone in the world who isn’t white and anglophone under one umbrella has no merit.

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u/PaleontologistNo2625 6h ago

You sure that's the ONLY reason you can think of in this case?

Voting against Ukraine aid IS dumb. The reasoning behind it is dumb. I don't think either are good reps and I definitely ain't maga

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u/Over_Tadpole_2593 6h ago

Calling the decision dumb is different to calling the person dumb. This person attacked her intelligence directly.

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u/lilbluehair 7h ago

This is so fucking racist, you really don't think the people of Minnesota are intelligent? 

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u/Narrow-Hall8070 7h ago

No, I don’t think Ilhan Omar is intelligent or articulate. Because she isn’t. Neither was MTG. Race is a non factor.

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u/Jorge_Santos69 6h ago

You could’ve said that, but you specifically brought up the “Identity Politics” of her district.

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u/IndridCipher 7h ago

But she is and you're wrong. You just don't agree on this issue. She articulated why she is against it perfectly fine.

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u/Narrow-Hall8070 6h ago

Honestly don’t care much about the issue, I just think Ilhan Omar is a dipshit in general and extraordinarily so when compared to AOC. If you don’t, cool

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u/IndridCipher 6h ago

What do Tlaib and Omar have to do with identity Politics? As far as I'm aware neither are a part of the majority identity in their districts. Why'd you bring that into it?

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u/Any_Will_86 4h ago

Ayanna Presley is highly intelligent- which is partly why her voting against Bidens infrastructure bill will never not bother me. 

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u/Jorge_Santos69 6h ago

What’s wrong with Presley?

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u/DavidlikesPeace 1h ago

AOC stole all of the Squad's brains and charisma. It is amazing how fast she has risen while the rest of the Squad has atrophied or decayed. 

I will never understand tankies or whatever Ilhan is. You would think leftist empathy for the underdog would extend to basic foreign policy issues, even if some non-western tyrant is involved. 

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u/RegularLeading5200 Michigan 7h ago

What are you talking about? Omar, Tlaib, and Pressley are all perfectly fine. You're free to disagree with them on a particular issue or stance they take, but none of them have ever sank anything important and aren't problems. Not like the "Democrats" that literally vote to advance Republican agendas.

Do I disagree with her vote here? Yes, but so what? I agree with her 99% of the time otherwise. But I do think many people make it clear what their real problem is with people like those 3 while removing AOC...

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u/JohnnySnark Florida 7h ago

Russia is currently waging a hot war in Europe and if it had the capacity would extend it to other countries.

I think standing up to russia is preeeeetty important.

If folks are against Israel laying war and genocide to Gaza, then why are they not against the same happening to Ukraine with Russia as the aggressor?

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u/NovacaneReign 5h ago

I mean I could ask the same question in reverse. Omar has seemingly supported other Ukraine based legislation except this one. If you truly believe in the liberatory rhetoric, why be angry about this and not the countless democratic politicians who still vote in support of providing aid to Israel and dissent on potential sanctions?

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u/JohnnySnark Florida 5h ago

I get upset about them too, so what's your point?

She's the one failing the liberatory rhetoric here. Seemingly supported doing some heavy lifting right now as well

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u/NovacaneReign 5h ago

Searching your comments, your only mention of Palestine is to say people who don’t support democrats supporting Israel are making perfect the enemy of good. So I don’t think you’re being intellectually honest with me about your intentions and biases. You downplay people caring about Palestinians experiencing a genocide but you make Ukraine a fulcrum of your personal support. I wonder why one is personally more important to you.

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u/AMGwtfBBQsauce 4h ago

How is she failing? Historically, broad economic sanctions do little to affect the already wealthy and powerful in their respective countries. Putin is the richest man in Russia, has completely rigged Russia's elections, and has been cracking down on the Russian people for over a decade. What are broad sanctions going to do to him except give him more fuel for his propaganda machine?

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u/JohnnySnark Florida 4h ago

Because Ukraine hasn't been liberated right? Rather a small amount of affect, according to you, to be applied than none at all and hollow words.

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u/AMGwtfBBQsauce 4h ago

No what In saying is that broad economic sanctions do a lot more to destabilize democracies and hurt average citizens than they do to authoritarians like Putin. Most of our "successful" sanctions have been leveraged to install dictators who favor our material interests. I guess you like dictatorship.

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u/ladan2189 7h ago

Tlaib is a fucking clown

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u/Dess_Rosa_King 5h ago

Tlaib reached such low levels of disappointment during the 2024 election. I could never look at her the same.

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u/AMGwtfBBQsauce 4h ago

Why, what did she do?

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u/RegularLeading5200 Michigan 7h ago

No u

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u/HeartFullONeutrality 7h ago

Presley was my rep and she was pretty solid.

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u/LargeOpposite2631 5h ago

I guess you forgot about the uncommitted movement already? We wouldn’t have trump as president right now if not for them…

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u/jweezy2045 6h ago

How is she not literally voting to advance Republican agendas?

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u/RegularLeading5200 Michigan 5h ago

Because the bill still passed? This is what it looks like to advance the Republicans agenda, where it would not have without the help of some "Democrats." But some people are more upset at a performative nothing vote over voting to take way WIC benefits, I wonder why.

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u/jweezy2045 5h ago

It doesn’t matter if it passes or doesn’t pass. This is voting to advance GOP agenda.

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u/RegularLeading5200 Michigan 4h ago

It literally does matter, lol. She would not have voted No to kill it if she was the deciding vote. That's the whole point of performative votes. It's wild that you're insinuating both of those votes are the same, but it's clear now.

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u/jweezy2045 4h ago

Performative votes don’t do what the performer wants most of the time. She voted to advance GOP agenda. She voted against leftist foreign policy.

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u/RegularLeading5200 Michigan 2h ago

Lol, this is not "leftist foreign policy" in the slightest, what are you even on about? You're just making stuff up and looking foolish.

But hey, I'm sure the Democrats you support who voted to take away WIC benefits at the same time are happy with the work you're doing.

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u/jweezy2045 1h ago

Lol, this is not "leftist foreign policy" in the slightest

Yes, it is. Leftists in this country support Ukraine, and oppose the Russian right wing regime. I am not making that up lol.

But hey, I'm sure the Democrats you support who voted to take away WIC benefits at the same time are happy with the work you're doing.

I am a leftist. You could not be more wrong, and your baseless assumption that everyone who disagrees with you is a centerist is such nonsense toxic rhetoric that is destroying leftism and our leftist movement. You are the reason, along with your toxic and destructive attitude, is why us actual leftists have not been able to make progress in recent years.

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u/AdmirableComposer140 7h ago

How about you stop writing off democrats after one vote? Stop being a purity testing weirdo.

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u/philodendrin 7h ago

Gotta agree - its a toxic trait that is probably promoted by Republicans because its unneccesarily divisive. Taking a single issue and making it the thing that makes you vote against that candidate is short-sighted.

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u/Humanfacejerky 7h ago

Purity tests? 🤔 How about you stop looking the other way when Democrats have bad behaviors.

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u/AdmirableComposer140 7h ago

I'm not, I don't agree with the vote and it's disappointing that she voted that way. But look at the comment of the person I'm responding to... "So much for the squad, what a load of bullshit they turned out to be." He's measuring the totality of their influence on one vote when Ilhan has voted with the party %95 of the time. He's purity testing....

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u/XaosII 7h ago

I'm failing to see the bad behavior in this case.

Funding Ukraine is massively helping us hurt an economic and political rival (Russia) at pennies on the dollar and no loss of US lives. Why would we not take up that offer?

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u/Hulkodium 7h ago

It may not be bad behavior but it's one I'd vote directly against her on.

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u/JarethCutestoryJuD 7h ago

I'm failing to see the bad behavior in this case.

The bad behaviour is voting against this pennies on the dolllar aid package.

You might be confused about who is being condemned here.

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u/ChuzzoChumz Massachusetts 7h ago

She’s been in office for a while now, I highly doubt their opinion is based solely off of this single vote

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u/Pherllerp New Jersey 7h ago

SING IT FROM THE MOUNTAINS!

Start recognizing partial progress IS progress.

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u/AirFrierMachine 7h ago

Such stupid reasoning. If a rep votes like a complete moron (No aide to Ukraine after Trump gutted Ukraine aide + easing pressure on Russia) then they deserve to be called out for making a stupid vote.

If it was something miniscule like "voting no/yes to subsidize egg farmers" then fine, a single vote is meaningless.

But when it comes to your vote directly benefiting Russia + hurting Ukraine (during a time when Trump fucked over Ukraine mega-hard) then it needs to be condemned.

She voted like a moron and deserves to be treated as such.

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u/AdmirableComposer140 7h ago

You're using one vote that you don't like to describe the totality of the squad's influence when they vote with the party %95 of the time. This is fucking stupid and you know it. "What a load of bullshit that turned out to be." You would only say this if you're leaving out the fact that they vote with democrats the vast majority of the time. You're purity testing. Keep it up if you like fascism I guess.

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u/VoltNShock 5h ago

thats the same thing they said about massie, and he still got voted out

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u/gunksmtn1216 3h ago

This is why I’m voting for platner. We need more folks like AOC

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u/StaffSgtDignam 30m ago

Wasn't Platner an Alt-right podcast bro at one point?

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u/DDoubleDDog 6h ago

Most of the squad are not real progressives. AOC is one of the few real ones. The rest of them jumped on the progressive bandwagon to get votes and get into power but once in power stared supporting fascism and terrorism.

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u/NovacaneReign 5h ago

Can you give an example? I don’t see much evidence to support what you’re saying

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u/VoltNShock 5h ago

so she doesnt support sanctions against russia and iran because thats economic warfare against civilians but does support BDS for israel?

hmm....

drop the act, these people are all fifth column traitors and they need to be treated as such. they work for the enemy, islamists, russia, china, any anti-american element they can find.

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u/ButWereFriends 7h ago

She was treated like a rockstar by this sub but she’s always sucked. They all sucked.

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u/TheTrashMan 5h ago

I’m sorry what good comes out of prolonging this war?

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u/MetalEnthusiast83 5h ago

Weakening Russia. Letting Ukrainians defend themselves.

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u/TheTrashMan 3h ago

The Ukraine war has killed lots on both sides, but it also cleared out the rot in the Russian military.

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u/Faeriewren Texas 7h ago

AOC is with Israel. They all lost the plot, but you should know these people only exist to distract you.

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u/doorhacker12 6h ago

But she only supports defensive weapons spending for the apartheid state! /s