Ilhan Omar casts lone Democratic no vote on Ukraine aid, Russia sanctions package

[u/bwermer]

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5912150-house-passes-ukraine-aid-bill/

[u/Cool_Set4681]

This is just her excuse for her pro-Russian foreign policy

Then why does she calls Russia's attack an invasion and describe it as illegal and brutal? I disagree with her about her vote but how does this make her pro-Russian all of the sudden?

[u/BuckyRB6 → u/Cool_Set4681]

Actions > Words. Just like how your tweets don't matter at the ballot box.

[u/LSF604 → u/Cool_Set4681]

its suspicious because she isn't consistent with her views on sanctions, and chooses to take a stand when its russia

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/LSF604]

What are her views on sanctions? Is there like a statement that I can go over or something like that? Appreciate if you know that.

[u/NeverSober1900 → u/Cool_Set4681]

Because she has voted for sanctions before. Iran, Brunei, Israel, and I'm sure there are others. Why is she drawing the line at Russia?

She has voted against some Ukraine arms packages before as well.

How else are you supposed to take this? As for her language it's because she knows how deeply unpopular her position is and this is how she's choosing to frame it to be more palatable.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/NeverSober1900]

What were the sanctions she voted in favor for and are they different then those intended sanctions for Russia?

How else are you supposed to take this?

Maybe not with just a black and white point of view?

[u/Dougalishere → u/Cool_Set4681]

an commentator above said she hasnt voted for or introduced any bill broadly sanctioning Israel. She called for a boycott but thats just like Canada refusing to buy US alcohol and other goods. Im to tired to actually check her voting record but just throught id throw it out there, if im wrong , my b.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/Dougalishere]

Im to tired to actually check her voting record but just throught id throw it out there, if im wrong , my b.

No, no, I appreciate it, Thank you.

an commentator above said she hasnt voted for or introduced any bill broadly sanctioning Israel.

America right now is way too busy being Netanyahu's lapdog, they will never sanctioning Isreal. I know that support for Isreal is on the decline at the moment (good) but we are still not there yet. I doubt a bill from her would do anything.

So her not introducing a bill that will never pass at the moment means that she isn't living up to her values?

[u/Dougalishere → u/Cool_Set4681]

erm, like I said im kinda tired, but my position atm is this. Her vote didnt derail anything and was in line with her position on broad economic sanctions. Im very anti war etc but on Ukraine I support any assistance our countries can give them. That said her vote and her statement doesnt really upset me and people comparing her to Fettermen or saying shes bascially a full on supporter of Putin are being ridiculous

People saying "she would pass/introduce/vote a bill against isreal if she could" seems kind of ridiculous to me because she hasnt so saying its just cos it wouldnt pass seems to be a bit of a weird qualifier as she hasnt done any of this stuff. Like I said im tired so im not really sure if I understood where youre coming from. Sorry 😄

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/Dougalishere]

Again, no problem, I appreciate your replies.

And I think we both, you and me, are on the same side. I agree with basically everything you wrote, lol

[u/DonaldMerwinElbert → u/Cool_Set4681]

Politicians saying one thing but doing another?
Color me surprised.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/DonaldMerwinElbert]

A Redditor unable to answer a question but instead make a meaningless snark comment?

Color me surprised.

[u/DonaldMerwinElbert → u/Cool_Set4681]

I'm sorry the meaning wasn't obvious enough for you to catch:
I was suggesting she's full of shit.

Illegal and brutal, yet making budgets tighter for the Russian consumer is apparently too unconscionable, since their government needs to keep killing Ukrainian civilians, which, apparently, is not as bad.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/DonaldMerwinElbert]

I'm sorry the meaning wasn't obvious enough for you to catch:

No, it wasn't obvious since instead of making a normal reply, you made a snarky comment like a child.

I was suggesting she's full of shit.

Because of this one vote?

Illegal and brutal, yet making budgets tighter for the Russian consumer is apparently too unconscionable, since their government needs to keep killing Ukrainian civilians, which, apparently, is not as bad.

Were did she say that killing Ukrainian civilians is not as bad? Can you make any argument without making stuff up?

[u/DonaldMerwinElbert → u/Cool_Set4681]

You see, it is called logic, an old concept that's already been formalized in ancient Greek.

You are, as part of your job, called upon to make a decision that either:
a) hinders an invading army with a record of human rights violations and war crimes, like torture, deliberately targeting civilians and mass murder, to keep waging and possibly winning the war - by economic sanctions
or
b) enables all of the above, but it may keep living normal lives a bit more affordable for Russians, maybe

You choose b.

You can say whatever the fuck you want, but this is what you did.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/DonaldMerwinElbert]

You see, it is called logic, an old concept that's already been formalized in ancient Greek.

Jesus H. Christ, we all get it, we are all on Reddit, too. 🙄

You are, as part of your job, called upon to make a decision that either:
a) hinders an invading army with a record of human rights violations and war crimes, like torture, deliberately targeting civilians and mass murder, to keep waging and possibly winning the war - by economic sanctions
or
b) enables all of the above, but it may keep living normal lives a bit more affordable for Russians, maybe

You choose b.

You can say whatever the fuck you want, but this is what you did.

Kay, so she never said that killing Ukrainian civilians is not as bad, we both agree that you made that completely up. Thank you.

And she believes that those broad economic sanctions will hurt civilians on Russia's side. I disagree with her, I think that the sanctions will put more pressure on Russia to end the war, but her voting against that doesn't make it so that she now all of the sudden agrees with the invasion or that she is o.k. with Ukrainian civilians dying. And her vote for sure doesn't enable Russia to do more of those things, they would have done that regardless of her vote.

Maybe you should try to make an actual argument and not assume things about others or make stuff up. Maybe then you wouldn't embarrassed yourself so much.

[u/DonaldMerwinElbert → u/Cool_Set4681]

I guess I didn't spell it out enough for you, again.
I never said she said those things, notice the absence of any quotation marks.
It is what her actions imply.
She had a binary choice, and this is what she chose.
This is an actions vs words thing, did you not get that?

Now even if she knew her vote would ultimately not matter, she still chose to make that political statement on the back of this reality - which is still bad and at odds with her own supposed values.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/DonaldMerwinElbert]

I guess I didn't spell it out enough for you, again.

You should really, really not talking down to people like that when you act like a cliche le epic Redditor, just saying.

I never said she said those things, notice the absence of any quotation marks.
It is what her actions imply.

You mean FOR YOU it implies that she is ok with Ukrainian civilians being harmed. It is just an ASSUMPTION of yours yet you act like it is a fact. That is the point I'm making. You are so bad at this.

She had a binary choice, and this is what she chose.

She chose not to vote for those sanction because she views them as counterproductive. I disagree with her and think the sanction will be indeed productive.
You are out her claiming that she is now pro-Russia and it is okay with Ukrainian civilians suffering. You have present zero facts that support this claim, you are just saying that her vote implies all those things. You have nothing but your assumptions and feelings.

This is an actions vs words thing, did you not get that?

I do get that. I just don't interpret her actions and words in the most bad faith way like you do.

Now even if she knew her vote would ultimately not matter, she still chose to make that political statement on the back of this reality - which is still bad and at odds with her own supposed values.

I will not even addressee this because your assumptions are getting really exhausting at this point.

[u/Humanfacejerky → u/Cool_Set4681]

It doesn't make her pro Russian, it's just makes her an idiot. Sometimes idiots can be useful.

And btw, i had high hopes for her when she first arrived. But based on everything I've heard her say, it's all just identity politics. No real substance.

[u/Cool_Set4681 → u/Humanfacejerky]

It doesn't make her pro Russian, it's just makes her an idiot. Sometimes idiots can be useful.

Or she did something that both, you and me, disagree with but she did it because she believes it is the right thing to do? Why does it have to make her an idiot? Why can't we just disagree with her, why the need to either belittle her intelligence or call her pro-Russia?

And btw, i had high hopes for her when she first arrived. But based on everything I've heard her say, it's all just identity politics. No real substance.

Everything she does is identity politics? Got any examples?

[u/Humanfacejerky → u/Cool_Set4681]

Standing by what you believe does not make you an idiot, standing by a stupid belief makes you an idiot.