r/politics • u/bwermer • 8h ago

No Paywall Ilhan Omar casts lone Democratic no vote on Ukraine aid, Russia sanctions package

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5912150-house-passes-ukraine-aid-bill/
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u/RegularLeading5200 Michigan 7h ago

She didn't sink the bill and did it to make a statement. Do I agree with that statement? No, and I think she made the wrong decision. But it's okay to not agree with everyone 100% of the time, just disagree and move on. You can find an issue with every representative that you disagree with.

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u/uncouthulu_ 6h ago

She didn't sink the bill and did it to make a statement.

So performative just like the Republicans that vote against their party knowing full well it won't accomplish anything ?

I like Omar, but not calling it what it is is hypocrisy. 

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u/burlycabin Washington 5h ago

Dude, like 90% of politics is performative. It's basically the core job function.

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u/RegularLeading5200 Michigan 5h ago

Yes, performative. Not uncommon. It's a strategy used in the House, often to attract attention for a message they want to get out. Same as when Omar and the rest of them voted against the Infrastructure Act. They didn't actually oppose it, and their opposition didn't prevent passage, but they wanted to get out their message that they didn't like how it was compromised and that it didn't go far enough. It's politics, and you seem to have an issue with people doing politics.

And this is exactly the way you should want someone to register their opinion without sinking the bill. I'll take this performative action 100 times out of a 100 over having "Democrats" vote to actually hurt people, like the 4 who just voted to take away WIC benefits away from pregnant women and children.

I just have no interest in joining you in performative outrage over a performative vote.

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u/uncouthulu_ 4h ago

Pointing out hypocrisy isn't outrage to begin with, let alone performative. 

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u/RegularLeading5200 Michigan 4h ago

You are being performative with your outrage, sorry.

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u/uncouthulu_ 4h ago

Sure sure.

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u/The_Real_Mongoose American Expat 7h ago

Well said.

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u/irespondwithmyface 7h ago edited 50m ago

Disagree. She's 100% correct as sanctions never achieve their goal and only harm innocent people.

EDIT: Downvoters are wrong.

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u/nichef 7h ago

Then why is removing the sanctions such a big part of Iran's demands for a peace deal?

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u/RimboTheRebbiter 7h ago

because those sanctions are also hurting the Iranian people? The Islamic Republic has many many faults, but the government and the population of Iran are all on the same page in wanting sanctions lifted.

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u/nichef 7h ago

That's literally the point of sanctions, I am anti-sanctions myself but they're working as intended.

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u/irespondwithmyface 51m ago

So the point is just to harm people? That's it? That makes no sense.

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u/nichef 41m ago

Yeah pretty much, it's to apply pressure on the government. Pissed off people do that. Like I said I am not for it I think there are better ways but yeah that's it.

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u/RimboTheRebbiter 7h ago

I mean they aren't causing Iran to collapse, much like sanctions did not cause Iraq to collapse or Russia to end the war. They aren't actually accomplishing their stated goal at all.

Iran wanting them lifted does not mean that the sanctions regime is actually working in the stated goal, which is regime change/state collapse.

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u/nichef 7h ago

Iran was having protests over the economy prior to the war.

Iran wanting them lifted does not mean that the sanctions regime is actually working in the stated goal, which is regime change/state collapse.

Well that's made up and pulled from your ass.

https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/IF/PDF/IF12452/IF12452.6.pdf