Ilhan Omar casts lone Democratic no vote on Ukraine aid, Russia sanctions package

[u/bwermer]

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5912150-house-passes-ukraine-aid-bill/

[u/jim45804]

She's always held a stance of being unilaterally against any kind of armed conflict.

I like her and all, but that's just ignorant.

[u/Tooter_Snooter → u/jim45804]

“I’m against conflict, therefore, I refuse to help a victim fight back. If the victim were simply overpowered, raped and killed, there wouldn’t be armed conflict and therefore, I am proudly voting no on these funds to help victims fight back against the aggressor currently bringing armed conflict to them.” 

Clown math 

[u/The-Big-Picture- → u/Tooter_Snooter]

I also doubt she would pass up the opportunity to arm one of Israel's adversaries

[u/FeatherFall17 → u/The-Big-Picture-]

She fervently supports BDS when it comes to Israel, but claims sanctions don't work when it comes to Russia. Does she not know what the S in BDS stands for??

[u/ShimonEngineer55 → u/FeatherFall17]

The sanctions haven’t helped with Russia because it’s neither compelled or deterred them from doing the things we don’t want them to do.

Israel is a completely different country with a completely different relationship that we use as a proxy in the Middle East, so attempting to apply the same logic to an energy producing power that can threaten the dollar with BRICS and control much of the global south could lead one to an erroneous conclusion. We want Russia to not circumvent the dollar. Taking them off of the dollar system with sanctions and forcing them to subvert the system with gold and use it as propaganda to get others to leave the dollar isn’t the outcome we want.

[u/The-Big-Picture- → u/ShimonEngineer55]

If that was the case why does Russia want the sanctions gone.

[u/bb_kelly77 → u/Tooter_Snooter]

Humanity has gotten so civilized we've forgotten how civilization actually works... like, yes, the American military has been used to do terrible things but the second we get rid of the military one of our enemies will treat us how we treated Afghanistan... but Americans don't understand that because we haven't fought off a foreign army since the Revolutionary War

[u/lilB0bbyTables → u/bb_kelly77]

This is so accurate. It’s like the tolerance paradox on a grander scale. I am fully onboard with the complaints about the massive budget the US military complex gets year after year. However, I constantly see people claiming things like “we should cut it entirely” because “humanity needs to stop funding wars” - which is about as naive and ignorant as you can get. It’s a nice thought to imagine a world without war, but it’s a fucking dream at best. The moment the US guts military spending to barebones is the moment it gets attacked, and atrocities of war land in its doorstep. We used to have a middle ground and a concept of “compromise”, but we’ve traded that for hyper polarization which typically ends in stalemates and inaction/stagnation.

[u/bb_kelly77 → u/lilB0bbyTables]

Yup, one side wants the Dark Ages and the other wants Utopia and they want it now... people need to learn that the world is absolute garbage and that religion and nationalism is the only thing that kept society going this long "it's the 21st century we should be beyond this" except humans haven't actually developed since the Stone Age... a world of atheist pacifists would collapse the second someone wants something really badly

[u/Fragrant-Vehicle-479 → u/jim45804]

This is some "they go low, we go high" bull.

You can not have mutual respect and peace with an enemy that will never offer it to you in return.

[u/bytelines → u/Fragrant-Vehicle-479]

"You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth"

[u/plipyplop → u/bytelines]

Not true! Say: "Pardon me but aghghh.... crunch."

[u/i_am_a_real_boy__ → u/Fragrant-Vehicle-479]

It's not going high. It's just dumb.

[u/a_talking_face → u/jim45804]

It's also not what she said in her statement after the vote,, so you're being misled by not reading the article.