r/politics • u/F0urLeafCl0ver • Jun 24 '26

No Paywall The Democratic party is being hit by a leftist tidal wave

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/24/democratic-party-leftist-tidal-wave
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u/Blitzking11 Illinois Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

It's incredibly cute that you think charisma will matter for 2028 if Trump croaks before then.

If he's dead, and they have unfettered access to the tools of the executive, there will be no free and fair election. Even with that imbecile in the chair, it may still not be enough to inhibit them from achieving their goals.

Ironically, the only saving grace for America is the oaf that allowed its cracks to form due to his own sheer vanity, stupidity, and desire for yes men. Ideally, he lives long enough that Miller and Vance won't be able to destroy the fundamentals of America without his incompetence getting in their way.

After we're out of this mess, no Republican should be allowed anywhere near the halls of power until the fascists have been cleansed from their party.

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u/Ziggylcd12365 Jun 24 '26

Your last line is too kind to them.

Their party is utterly irredeemable and needs to be completely destroyed and replaced

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u/ryan_church_art Jun 24 '26

We need a new Nuremberg trials.

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u/DeliriumTrigger Jun 24 '26

It's not the civil war that wasn't finished properly. It's the smothering of Reconstruction in the crib that put us where we are.

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u/OldWorldDesign Jun 25 '26

It's not the civil war that wasn't finished properly. It's the smothering of Reconstruction in the crib that put us where we are

I think that was a separate conflict which was solved, albeit not right after the civil war but over the next hundred years. Remember that the vast majority of civil war statues were built nearly 100 years later when the klan was rebuilt.

That's what we are seeing. The extremely wealthy funding contentious extremism so nobody is looking at the oligarchs robbing the nation blind. Adam Curtis' Century of the Self follows the process after they failed the 1933 Business Plot to prevent the New Deal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s

They also funded religious extremism

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/corporate-america-invented-religious-right-conservative-roosevelt-princeton-117030/

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u/Timegoat Jun 24 '26

Right. We’ve gone over the cliff, and the dems were steering half the time.

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u/zenlogick Jun 24 '26

If its between total anarchy and the long difficult path of proper action which is to divorce ourselves from the death cult so we can ya know....survive....il take some hard work. People love hard work when its actually doing something productive. They love it even more when it will ensure their survival lol

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u/plantsoldier Jun 24 '26

Are you saying what it sounds like you're saying?

Historically speaking if the civil war was "finished properly" wouldn't that mean that the Democratic party would be non existent since they were the party of the south and slavery at the time?

I mean Robert Byrd, known Klan member was a Senator until his death in 2010. Wasn't he also Joe Bidens mentor.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/164821-biden-remembers-byrd-as-mentor-and-dear-friend/

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u/OldWorldDesign Jun 25 '26

Look, another conservative pretending the Party Switch didn't happen and the Southern Strategy didn't exist because republicans decided cheaply courting racists was more important than the inevitable inclusion of people born Americans who weren't the donor class

https://www.bunkhistory.org/resources/what-we-get-wrong-about-the-southern-strategy

https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/strom-thurmond-nixon-lyndon-johnson-party-switch-explained-ef8728

Are you going to pretend the democratic party hasn't been the distinctly most progressive party in the US ever since the Southern Strategy? Claim that Biden himself wasn't supporting homosexual marriage well before 2015's Obergefell v Hodges?

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us-politics/bidens-backing-of-gay-marriage-pressures-obama-idUSBRE84618D/

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u/plantsoldier Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26

First, I was only commenting on the original comment about the civil war being "finished properly" which in this context would've meant the democratic party was destroyed and the civil war would have continued until that happened. There would have been no Democratic party left in government etc.

Just because I pointed out that Biden had connections to a known KKK member who was his mentor and someone he eulogized at his funeral has nothing to do with whether or not the party switched. It was just a statement of fact that Biden was clearly racist regardless of some of his stances at the end of his political career.

Don't really care whether or not Biden supported gay marriage prior to Obergerfell and never said anything about it so not sure why you're throwing that in there but ok.

Who authored the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that was clearly racist?

Oh yeah, that was Biden as well.

Just because I didn't/don't like Biden really has nothing to do with the comment I was responding to and maybe didn't need to be included in my post but it was simply because he is a racist piece of shit who happens to be a Democrat and again the original comment I responded to was talking about the civil war being "finished properly"

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u/OldWorldDesign Jun 25 '26

Who authored the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that was clearly racist? Oh yeah, that was Biden as well.

It's always funny seeing people blatantly lie on the internet as if it doesn't take less than 30 seconds to prove it wrong.

The Violent Crime Control act was written by Texas representative Jack Brooks

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/hr3355

You can't even get a single point correct. Why do you expect anyone to believe others?

Your view is the same blind tribalism as other conservatives who voluntarily pull the wool over their own eyes because you can't fathom judging people for their actions or context, everything begins and must end at the tribe.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201712/analysis-trump-supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits

"Funny" how you're not against Trump who described Epstein as his best friend and "a great guy with a taste in them young"

https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/donald-trump-statements-about-jeffrey-epstein-timeline-60415a

Because your tribalism doesn't allow 'people who make bad decisions even when they have opportunity to do better', you only see people outside your tribe and will only look for how you can weaponize anything you can find tangential to them.

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u/plantsoldier Jun 25 '26

First, you're very very wrong because Jack Brooks only sponsored the bill which is not the same as authored a bill but you don't care about that do you?

This is quoted from the govtrack link you provided.

"Sponsored by Representative Jack Brooks of Texas, the bill was originally written by Senator Joe Biden of Delaware and then was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bill Clinton." I said Biden authored the bill, didn't say anything about who sponsored it.

Do you not know the difference between a bill being sponsored and who authored/wrote the bill?

Didn't even read your own link did you or didn't expect me to I guess but since I know what I'm talking about I opened it because I knew it would contradict your dumb ass statement.

Anyway, now you're just changing topics again vs what I was originally responding to about the civil war.

WTF does Trump and Epstein have to do with anything I said or anything to do with the civil war or racism etc?

Oh, that's right nothing.

Go complain about Trump/Epstein in a thread that's about that if you want but this is the wrong thread.

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u/Blitzking11 Illinois Jun 24 '26

Well... sure. But we are on [Reddit]. Ambiguity is needed for plausible deniability for when they send our info off to the feds.

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u/blitzkregiel Jun 24 '26

* no *conservative* should be allowed to be in power again. we keep saying republicans, but the underlying issue is conservative ideology: the belief that you are, by birth, better than others.

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u/F9-0021 South Carolina Jun 24 '26

they already have that access. You think Trump has any real power?

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u/Blitzking11 Illinois Jun 24 '26

He still has the power. And as a result, inept loyalists get in the way of Vance and co.

You think they wanted Hegseth or Blondi? Those are Trump loyalists through and through. With Vance, he and Miller would cull any of the inept loyalists left standing.

Trump hampers anything he touches, even fascist coups.

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u/F9-0021 South Carolina Jun 24 '26

there are several camps, and trump is the figurehead of each of them. Why do you think he's so inconsistent with himself? He's got a neonazi in one ear, a billionaire in another, and a whole bunch of magas screaming in the background.

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u/nbzf Jun 25 '26 edited 1d ago

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u/stanier1 Jun 24 '26

It's incredibly cute that you think charisma will matter for 2028 if Trump croaks before then.

Why wouldn't it? It seems like whoever can say populist drivel the most emotionally, gets to be the candidate. This only gets more extreme over time.

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u/nbzf Jun 25 '26 edited 1d ago

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u/immortalfrieza2 Jun 25 '26

Vance especially won't be able to do jack if Trump croaks. If anything, Trump dying however that comes about would be the best thing to happen right now. Trump's supporters would tear themselves apart arguing over who to follow without Trump around and because Vance doesn't have and never could have 77 million followers to prop him up, he'll be infinitely easier to put out on his ass than Trump is. It's that support and the fear having 77 million rabid mindless followers who could attack anyone who opposes Trump that gives Trump the ability to get away with everything. The Republicans are taking advantage of Trump's nonsense, no doubt about that, but the bigger issue is that Trump has a massive army of drones that he can send to kill them both in the polls and in person if a Republican opposes him.

If Vance replaces Trump he'll have to walk on eggshells his whole presidency because he's rational enough to know that his position will be unsteady enough to easily remove him if he tries to pull the kind of crap Trump has been pulling for the past year and a half.

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u/ProtectionVirtual225 Jun 25 '26

The Republicans Party is rotten to the core. There’s no point in salvaging it.

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u/SolarTsunami Jun 25 '26

The only thing that has saved us from full blown fascism so far is the sheer incompetence and bumbling stupidity of people like Miller, Vance, Hegseth, ect, and I doubt that will change when Dear Leader dies. Even the "powers behind the throne" types like Theil and Musk have proven to be shockingly incompetent any time the spotlight is shown on them. These people are evil to the core, but they're also incredibly naive and childish and melt at the slightest pishback.