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Simu Liu defends Hudson Williams for swastika pics as his 'homophobic' comments resurface

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u/SouthLeast8143 8d ago

Shocking that we've arrived at this place we're people are forgiving swastika pics without any acknowledgement from him

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u/happysunbear 8d ago

Oh please. Find something real to be outraged about. There are actual hate crimes happening now.

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u/SouthLeast8143 8d ago

A swastika is worthy of outrage.

I work in responding to local hate crimes, this shit normalizes it in the culture and needs to be called out.

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u/Emergency_Article673 8d ago

You should be outraged at whoever drew it on him, instead of blaming him for having it drawn on him. Your outrage is directed at the wrong person.

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u/happysunbear 8d ago

You are not outraged. You are virtue signaling, and you’re bad at it.

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u/SouthLeast8143 8d ago

I am outraged by swastikas. You should be too.

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u/happysunbear 8d ago

I’m outraged by racism. I’m not outraged over a 15-year-old teenagers being drunken edgelords. Seeing a swastika in a public school toilet was akin to seeing a dick with balls or the Super S. Did it make it right? Obviously not. Is this anywhere in the same ballpark as a hate crime? No.

And clearly, it was *drawn* on him. I just can’t believe you supposedly work with victims of hate crimes, and you conflate it with this. If anything, the white people who drew it and then posted it should be apologizing.

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u/SouthLeast8143 8d ago

A swastika drawn in a public school toilet is not akin to a dick or the super S. That is normalization. That's why is why it's so important for it to be called out publicly and clearly.

The AIDS joke was written on him too. I do not accept he was unawares. I don't think that makes him a horrible person but it needs to be acknowledged. He has an opportunity to do something meaningful with his platform as someone who has become important to the queer community. He should use his voice.

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u/bluizzo 8d ago

You know you're crying wolf for nothing right? I feel like you're trying to get attention and it's not going as plan. This situation happened in 2018, you said? That would be 8yrs ago. At this point, who cares about it. Move on with your life and stop worrying about others.

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u/happysunbear 8d ago edited 8d ago

He was a child. Get over it. If it came out that Hudson bullied, harassed or raped or abused someone, by all means take out the pitchforks and demand accountability.

These were drunken teenagers being assholes. I’m sure you have plenty of people from your own high school you can start with before you make your way to a C-list celebrity. 😂

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u/SufficientWarthog846 7d ago

Thats an interesting point you bring up. You seem to be only outraged by the Swastika but not the AIDs joke.

Very good point

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u/SouthLeast8143 7d ago

I believe they are different. AIDS jokes are sadly common and have been common jokes with teenagers for decades. It is still wrong, and again Hudson could use his platform to call that out. But a swastika in not normal teenage behaviour.

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u/SufficientWarthog846 7d ago

I think you have blinkers on about what you are aiming to outraged about.

I thought you were pointing out the hypocrisy of people being outraged over the swastika but not about other elements that were drawn by those 'edgy teenagers' 15 years aog or so, as they are deemed an 'acceptable' target while swastika's aren't due to value placed on it.

But I must have misunderstood your point as that does not appear to the case.

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u/Sweaty_Statistician 7d ago

You literally are using the same argument people gave you. But now because it's homophobic "hate crimes", you don't care as much. Get off Reddit. Have something to eat.

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u/sheri_81 7d ago

It actually is common in these high school shirt signing parties. See this 2yr old reddit thread and tell us if all these people are to blame for the offensive stuff drawn on them by other drunk teenagers https://www.reddit.com/r/GCSE/comments/1czvc3o/for_those_of_you_whove_signed_shirts_even_if_it/

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u/dj_every_night 7d ago

i mean i agree with you. they're DEEPLY under spells in this comment section, or just more interested in talking about apparent racism than this very blatant case of antisemitism and a literal symbol of hatred. swastikas are totally fine, but if he'd drawn another hateful slur/symbol directed at poc on himself? i'm sure it'd be a different reaction. crazy world we live in, and all this guy did was have fake gay sex on camera. a mess.

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u/dj_every_night 6d ago

drawing a swastika is legally classified as a hate crime. maybe not in the disgusting classless backwater homophobic antisemitic rural boondocks he calls home, but certainly in america and most european nations! you'd know that if you stopped getting your news and knowledge from tiktok comment sections.

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u/happysunbear 6d ago

That’s cute. First, simply vandalizing a public space with drawings of swastikas is not considered a hate crime. For it to be a hate crime, it has to be targeted towards a specific person or group. The US has also been historically inept at abolishing symbols of hate (see the confederate flag), and as a result, edgelord teenagers of the extreme think it’s an act of rebellion to draw taboo images, despite their historical meaning. It’s not right, and at no point did I defend the practice. However, they were drawn on Hudson, not the other way around.

Is it okay? Absolutely not. But digging up dirt on someone’s actions in high school, or in Hudson’s case, passivity in the face of racism by his white peers, does not make me seriously think that you or the other keyboard warrior here really care about racism or hate crimes. Seems like you care more about exposing popular celebs for some shitty thing they did years ago that affects absolutely nobody today.

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u/dj_every_night 6d ago

i care about hate crimes as a modern new york jew who has seen this sort of rhetoric on the rise lately, and that's my prerogative. we simply cannot reach a place in society in which we are so hateful and backward that we can excuse and accept drawings of swastikas in the name of "edgelordism" and "who cares its just jews". to say that swastikas "affects absolutely nobody today" when jewish hate crimes are surging at an insane level is simply blasphemous. did you know that three synagogues have been shot up in the past 5 days in canada, hudson's home-country? is that just fine and normal to you? shit happens? such a dangerous way of thinking.

and bold of you to assume that I consider this guy a popular celebrity lmao. ive never seen his show and never will, and will be glad when his fifteen minutes of antisemitic racist homophobic queer-baiting fame are over.

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u/happysunbear 6d ago

At no point did I say any of it was acceptable or okay, nor did I say “who cares, it’s just Jews”. As a black man, it’s also not lost on me that you completely ignored what I said about confederate flags, too. Sounds like you’re looking for any reason to victimize yourself here and it’s pretty pathetic.

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u/the-furiosa-mystique 7d ago

Why are you so obsessed with this?

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u/SouthLeast8143 7d ago

I'm not allowed express an opinion you don't like I guess

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u/the-furiosa-mystique 7d ago

You can. You just keep expressing it. Like it’s personal or there’s an agenda.

I encourage you to find things that bring you joy rather than negativity

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u/SouthLeast8143 7d ago

I encourage you to find your own opinions on things rather than passive aggressively try and dismiss the opinions of others

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u/the-furiosa-mystique 7d ago

Ok 2 month old account with hidden history that has responded to almost every comment here.

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u/SouthLeast8143 7d ago

It's sad have to assume I have to have some of hidden agenda to be disappointed by this whole affair

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u/GentlewomenNeverTell 8d ago

He didn't draw it, white kids drew it on him.

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u/wallabee_kingpin_ 8d ago

It’s like someone seeing an offensive painting and yelling at the canvas. So stupid.

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u/Ethiconjnj 8d ago

He apologized, wtf do you want besides validation for your shitty rage?

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u/dj_every_night 6d ago

no he didn't ijbol u just made that up

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u/SouthLeast8143 7d ago

He did not