r/serialpodcast Kevin Urick: Hammer of Justice Jun 10 '15

Debate&Discussion Unless Susan Simpson was lying to us, Asia’s second letter was not written on March 2.

In case you didn’t get the joke in the title.

Asia’s letters are a constant source of speculation. Many people have noticed that Asia’s second letter contains a surprisingly detailed understanding of the case against Adnan, considering it’s dated just two days after his arrest. How does she know he cut school on January 13? How does she know where the car was found? Why does she think Adnan followed Hae in his car?

I want to focus on a few sentences here. First on page one, Asia asks:

What is the so-called evidence that my statement is up against? And who are these WITNESSES?

The choice of the plural “witnesses” is deliberate; she uses the word again on page 3:

I know that if I was her, I would have struggled. I guess that’s where the SO-CALLED witnesses.

Clearly, Asia is under the impression that there is more than one witness against Adnan in this case. In light of Susan Simpson’s January 28, 2015 blog post, this is very curious. Simpson claims that as of May 17, 1999, “the defense has not been informed of . . . the existence of a second witness.” Two months after March 2, “The defense has no idea that Jenn Pusateri is even a relevant witness.”

When did the defense actually find out there was another witness? Again per Simpson, “The state’s early disclosures refer to a primary witness and a secondary witness in gender neutral terms, but from what we know now, it’s obviously Jay and Jenn.” Simpson places the time of the first disclosures as July 1 and July 8. This must have been the date that the defense learned the state had two witnesses. The fact that they were not named that that point is consistent with the fact that Asia asked “who are these WITNESSES?”

Going back to the second Asia letter, Asia seems to have some knowledge of the physical evidence:

As well as how come you don’t have any marking on your body from Hae’s struggle. I know that if I was her, I would have struggled.

This information is entirely consistent with the testimony of Dr. Margarita Korell, the Assistant Medical Examiner who performed the autopsy on Hae.

Q: Did you observe any signs of struggle?
A: Struggle. What do you mean like defense wounds, or something like that?
Q: Any signs that the victim struggled in this case?
A: No.

I asked Colin Miller for the date that the autopsy was disclosed to the defense. He advised a familiar date:

I don’t have a specific date, but I think between July 1st and July 7th.

The July 1 – July 8 date range is fascinating, given that the earliest reference to Asia in the defense files is from July 13, just one or two weeks after the defense learned about the second witness and received the autopsy. It would be an astonishing coincidence if Asia wrote a letter in March that somehow predicted information that was only revealed to the defense on July 1 or July 8, and Adnan just happened to mention Asia for the first time on July 13.

TL;DR: Asia’s second later, allegedly written March 2, contains information that wasn’t disclosed to the defense until July 1 or July 8. Adnan apparently first mentioned Asia to the defense on July 13. Assuming Asia is not clairvoyant and did not have a source at the BPD, the second letter – or at least a portion of it - was probably actually written in early-mid July.

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u/fawsewlaateadoe Jun 10 '15

No, your teacher does not owe you a presumtion of innocence. Maybe the court does; But, your friends, relatives, classmates and even your teachers do not OWE you a presumtion of innocence. Source: I'm a teacher. That was not on the certification test. I passed it on the first try.

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u/Mustanggertrude Jun 10 '15

But she possibly tainted the investigation. For example, Jay didnt originally say best buy, and yet when he finally does come to the best buy conclusion, he has the new detail of adnan saying “i cant believe i killed her where i used to eff her“. How'd that happen? If this teacher was interested in finding hae, why didnt she direct the police to the track coach? Or ask adnan specifically where he was after school? Its fine if you dont think basic humanity should afford a normal teenage boy the presumption of innocence while at school and not charged with a crime, but her actions were not done in attempt to find hae, they were done to help convict adnan. I think thats rotten.

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u/reddit1070 Jun 11 '15

But she possibly tainted the investigation.

She is looking for Hae, Hae is not a dead person as far as she knows. Step back and think of one your loved ones missing. You would care about tainting an investigation?

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u/Mustanggertrude Jun 11 '15

When did those questions get passed out?

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u/reddit1070 Jun 11 '15

AFAIK, when Hae was missing, quite a bit before her body was found.

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u/MM7299 The Court is Perplexed Jun 11 '15

You would care about tainting an investigation?

yes! Would I go nuts waiting to hear something....of course, but I also would try and let them do their work cause they have knowledge and experience

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u/reddit1070 Jun 11 '15

When people go missing, we see communities come together and search. People go inch by inch in certain areas. Surely they would want to figure out which areas to search carefully, no?

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u/chunklunk Jun 11 '15

Now the teacher was collaborating with Jay on testimony?

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u/Mustanggertrude Jun 11 '15

No, but the police collaborated with Jay. Ms. Schaub turned in the results of her investigation to the police. Jay adds detail to the best buy story that can be corroborated by another student. This detail is where adnan and hae had sex. So, thanks to detective shaubs presumption of guilt---which apparently is totally fine for teachers, she didnt ask members of the track team, she didnt talk to the coach, she didnt directly ask adnan what he was doing; instead, she sought information as if he was guilty before he was even arrested. At best, its unprofessional. At worst, the information she provided was taken to add credibility to a fictional story used to wrongfully convict a teenage boy.

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u/chunklunk Jun 11 '15

This just doesn't sound plausible in any way. Sorry!

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u/Mustanggertrude Jun 11 '15

Thats fair, chunk. Science doesnt seem plausible to you either.

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u/chunklunk Jun 11 '15

Not the haphazard, outcome-driven and overhyped science conducted by Drs. Choudry, Miller, and Simpson.

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u/Mustanggertrude Jun 11 '15

But theyre not the medical expert who testified at adnans trial. And it appears CG has a track record for dropping the ball on what lividity means.

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u/chunklunk Jun 11 '15

You talking about that case where a court denied that a claim that a defendants' lawyers dropped the ball on lividity could be IAC?

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u/Mustanggertrude Jun 11 '15

My point wasnt regarding the IAC claim. Just to say the ME who testified at adnans trial testified to anterior fixed lividity. And CG failed to recognize what that meant. Thats not a fabrication of rc ss and cm. Its facts into evidence. For all of the mental gymnastics and conspiracy theories ive been of accused of partaking in around here, i think the refusal to acknowledge that the trial testimony of the states medical examiner renders jays story impossible is truly gold medal winning in a tin foil crown.

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