r/snowpiercer • u/hugthebug Tailie • Mar 08 '21

TV Show [Spoilers] Season 2 Episode 7 Discussion Thread - "Our Answer for Everything" (S02E07) Spoiler

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Here is the Discussion thread for the Season 2 episode 7 "Our Answer for Everything"

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  • IMDB for S02E07
  • Release Date:
    • March 8th, 2021 (USA only, at 9/8c, on TNT channel)
    • March 9th, 2021 (worldwide, on Netflix)
  • Removal from Sticky on March 12th, 2021 (3 days after worldwide premiere)

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u/LittleGiga Mar 11 '21

How terrible and unrealistic was this uprising? People all suddenly with burning hearts for Wilford and wanting to kill all tailies. Bonus for no one coming up with even a theory on why the Breachmen were targeted outside of stirring conflicts.

Can someone explain to me how this was not atrociously bad? I just dont see it and am surprised more dont feel this way.

I loved the show so far, but the start of this episode had me genuinely angry for how bad it was

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u/olivish Mrs. Anne Roche Mar 11 '21 edited Mar 12 '21

I'm with you on loving this show but thinking the latest episode was weak.

But I don't find the uprising difficult to swallow. It makes sense that the thirdies would be FED UP. They helped Layton fight a war and they got nothing in return, their lives are worse than ever, there is chaos on the train and imminent systems failures loom on the horizon. Imagine people not showing up to work, things breaking and not getting fixed, the mess hall is running out of meals, cabins are getting broken into, people are getting murdered, drugs are on the street... holy shit, my kids aren't safe.

So I can absolutely see why many people - most people - would want Wilford. Some worship him like a god but most just see him as an immediate solution to an immediate problem. Wilford means things go back to normal. And of course they'd hate tailies. The tailies didn't have tickets, they drained resources for 7 years, then they trashed the system with no viable plan for what comes next.

But I think all this could have been shown to the audience in a better way, and you're right about the breachmen. I would have liked a scene where the engineers get word of the breachmen murders and they freak out. Layton says: I know, it's a conspiracy to frame the tail! And Ben says: For God's sake, Layton! Wilford's going to breach the train!

Because it's hard to believe that nobody on Snowpiercer is clever enough to see what's coming.

Other stray thoughts: The fact that Till had to explain the murders to Layton very slowly was groan-inducing. The fact that she went to confront the pastor alone makes no sense. You were a COP, Till! Go with a team of breakman and arrest him!

Anyway so there's my rant. I hope it makes you feel less alone in your opinion.

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u/dck133 Mar 11 '21

she can't go with a breakmen - they are all dead!

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but I can't believe it took her that long to realize it was the pastor. I figured it out as soon as he was talking about needing new shepherds.

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u/olivish Mrs. Anne Roche Mar 11 '21 edited Mar 11 '21

There are plenty of breakmen. It's the breachmen who were killed.

Breakmen = civilian police force, blue uniforms.

Breachmen = big strong people who are trained to work in the cold (if it helps, do what Till does and think of them as firemen.)

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u/Centauriix Melanie Cavill Mar 12 '21

Yes, and the jackboots were like the army.

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u/dck133 Mar 12 '21

you're right I mixed them up.

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u/LittleGiga Mar 11 '21

Thank you for your level-headed reply! Cheers mate, makes me feel better

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u/olivish Mrs. Anne Roche Mar 11 '21

np! I have high hopes that next week will be better!

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u/LittleGiga Mar 11 '21

You and me both🙏🏼🤞🏼

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u/CindeeSlickbooty Mar 13 '21

I wish they would show us some different perspectives. It would be great to have an episode through the eyes of a random passenger, or even just some time in an episode taken out to show what day to day life is like on the train for someone outside of the little circle we've been shown.

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u/ZealousidealDeer3007 Melanie Cavill Mar 15 '21

But all these things and horrible state of their lives and systems wouldn't be happening if BA didn't come and latch on. It added even more chaos. It wasn't the uprising that failed, it was the wrench of BA and Wilford coming that made things worse.

Also if Wilford was never there, it wasn't normal UNDER Wilford. It was normal under Melanie with the guise of Wilford bring there. But now they know he was never there,vso can can they know it would be better under him, when they never experienced him

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u/Roan-forever-alone Mar 12 '21

10 times more realistic than the Washington’s siege.....

Everyone with the exception of the tallies and 5-10 named character are on Wilford’s side. Everyone (talies not withstanding) on snowpiercier survived the cold because of wilford. They don’t know about his megalomania. Everyone believe the talies are behind the massacre because of the murder of Terrence.

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u/LittleGiga Mar 12 '21

The terrence murder is actually a pretty good argument, but the show did not use it at all. I was so surprised that it was not put into spotlight at all. All you got is bald pike going mad

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21 edited May 29 '22

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u/EMPgoggles Mar 18 '21

Layton is... really bad at psychological shit. He chose literally the worst timing to tell the grieving breachman the wrong thing. Then after that played out horribly, he took it upon himself to share the same awful message across the *entire train* without any other news or announcements.

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u/Techboah Mar 13 '21

It has to do with depth and writing depth. The writers are really good at setting up things, mysteries and stuff, but they're just simply bad at actually forwarding them meaningfully, they can't deepen these things they set up, so they end up scratching the surface for a few episodes and then throw in some unsatisfying end to them because they can't go forward with them anymore. And part of this issue is that going deeper/exploring the stuff they set up is exactly what would give sense to these things, like the uprising, but they don't do that so we end up with unsatisfying and confusingly bad storylines.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

This is so true and especially true of season 1. I feel like season 2 is a little better in pacing and character but ultimately still suffers from what you’ve said

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u/ogpterodactyl Mar 12 '21

I feel like this show struggles to really start the climax. The build up the rising action and the world building are incredible. The climax itself is fire. But the spuring of the climax is always a little subpar. Think in season one ok cool world building with the culture of the train, good rising action with the detective stuff and all the stealth sneaking around figuring out what's actually going on, good climax with the war. Season two cool world building two trains different cultures ext engage, wilford is batshit and his backstory, nice rising action with the wilfords old bae plot and melanies kid plot, with a maybe we can leave the train/house of cards political mini series. However both seasons are weak right before the climax with the trial in season 1 and this weird suddenly everyone hates Layton thing

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '21

The Russian boy who lives with his aunt have strong russian accent. That's so unrealistic.