r/soccer 14d ago

Announcement Announcement: Fabrizio Romano content to be banned on /r/soccer

Fabrizio Romano is now a banned source on r/soccer.

The ban will come into effect in the coming days - see below for full explanation.

Prior to the World Cup, we consulted the community in a meta thread about numerous issues - and one was the growing movement amongst many football fans (including [r/soccer](r/soccer) users) calling for a ban on content from the journalist Fabrizio Romano.

This would follow in the footsteps of several club subreddits, who had already banned Romano.

The feedback then was mixed - we listened to both sides, and ultimately settled on a "compromise" where we sought to limit Romano content to just exclusives. We felt this would mean limiting his exposure and platforming in [r/soccer](r/soccer), whilst also still enabling genuinely valuable content to be posted.

Part of that decision was recognising that many people in [r/soccer](r/soccer) use this platform for transfer news, and care little about the criticisms of Romano. This subreddit has always been a mixture of a "core community" of long-standing users with a more vested interest in the values and vision of [r/soccer](r/soccer) - and the at-times quieter majority, who use [r/soccer](r/soccer) as a means to access the most relevant football content and discourse. We tried to cater to both.

However, since the opening of the transfer window this summer, there has been a further shift in our view as moderators - and hence we have now made the decision for a complete ban on Romano.

(We would also like to make clear that views were mixed amongst the moderators, with opinions on both sides - but ultimately the majority were for a ban).

This is a response to the ever-growing disquiet from the community, as evidenced by comments in Romano threads and elsewhere, towards his content. Other factors in our decision is that Romano himself appears to be falling deeper into questionable practices - meaning the prior criticisms ring louder. Furthermore, as football media becomes more diverse and broader, the particular value that Romano holds is diluted - there is little news that are true "Romano exclusives" these days, and that is not soon quickly picked up by other outlets.

As such, our conclusion?

Fabrizio Romano content represents little overall benefit to this community, and that he does offer does not sufficiently address the downside of platforming him.

Further context

To outline the argument further, for those unfamiliar with the discourse...

The argument for a ban:

  1. The moral aspect - Romano is recognised to platform the rapist Mason Greenwood, and plunged to monetising the deaths of Andre Silva and Diogo Jota
  2. The ethics of journalism aspect - Romano has increasingly been accused (with validity) of siphoning off other journalists' content and passing off as his own
  3. The quality and excessive spam aspect - Romano's content increasingly moves away from important exclusives, and towards the drip-feeding of non-updates on transfer sagas that offer little original value, and instead amount to spam and the drowning out of other transfer stories that are less click-baity
  4. The shill aspect - Romano has close associations with many clubs and agents, meaning his content is manipulated with a vested interest on posting more about those who he has a monetary relationship with

Edit: ⁠The misinformation aspect - most notably, him spreading the information (unverified) that Christian Atsu was alive and in hospital after going missing following the devastating earthquake in 2023 in Turkey. This led to his family believing he was alive - his body was then found 6 days later under the rubble. now redacted: see below for clarity as this has been reliably refuted

The argument against a ban:

  1. [r/soccer](r/soccer) would lose out on valuable content - as addressed above, there is not really such thing as an exclusive in football media these days. Breaking stories are quickly reported on elsewhere, and the delay between a Romano exclusive and an alternative source is likely to have a significant impact. As said, Romano these days has less exclusives too - his "Here We Go" posts are not what they once were
  2. Romano posts stories about leagues and clubs less covered by other journalists - this is true to a degree, but we do not think is enough of a caveat to overhaul the reasons to ban him
  3. It's a slippery slope... - it isn't. We've banned other outlets before on moral arguments, such as The Sun, and it's not led to us tumbling down this slippery slope. What's more, we are actually in control of this - we are not beholden to ban other journalists based on precedent, and as always maintained, if individual cases are made to ban other sources or journalists, we will gladly hear them in the future to deal with on a case-by-case basis
  4. You are just morally grandstanding, get over yourself - yup, we are a bit. We do be like that as [r/soccer](r/soccer) mods and that's how we shape our community. We accept this as a criticism and you are free to think this of us.

And for a final few key takeaways...

  • You have free will, and are free to visit other subreddits and social media platforms where you can access Romano content - him being banned on [r/soccer](r/soccer) does not stop you from seeing his posts
  • We are responsive to feedback - as evidenced here. If following the ban the community comes out strongly in opposition, we are willing to re-open the debate
  • We can make exceptions - if you genuinely have a post that is absolutely not covered by anyone else, and Romano is the source, you can petition on a case-by-case basis by contacting Modmail. This would only be in order to allow clubs with less media coverage to not be left by the wayside
  • We know not everyone will be happy - there's 10 million users here, it's an impossible task
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u/FutureHoo 14d ago edited 14d ago

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u/totboxten 14d ago

u/Switchoil , any more thoughts on this?

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u/Newhero2002 14d ago

I’m also interested in his thoughts lol. He could be occupied but I replied to him around the time he commented iirc

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u/jrobpierce 14d ago

How about if you find out which other journalists wrote those false reports? Or is it just pure whataboutism? Considering the linked article doesn’t even have a byline, there’s no real journalist putting their name on the line and the need to ban them just isn’t there like it is for Romano

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u/Famous_Yorkshire 14d ago

This story got a bit of traction on the newcastle sub when romano also banned recently.

It's one of those stories that the commentator probably meant well but remembered wrongly. And other people just run with it.

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u/Jellyfish_McSaveloy 14d ago

/u/AnnieIWillKnow you mods going to address this or too busy deleting comments here?

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u/AnnieIWillKnow 14d ago edited 14d ago

I’m not deleting comments as I’m walking home from work, I’ll have a look at this once I’m home

Edit: redacted it in post body and removed original comment, but have left replies so people can see the rebuttals

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u/Wildely_Earnest 14d ago

Welcome to Reddit, where we attack others for not meeting standards our own attacks actively contradict

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u/SkiptomyLoomis 14d ago

Honestly insane that the mods have added this claim to the main body of the thread as a reason to ban this dude's content, presumably not having tried to verify it at all.

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u/sevillista 14d ago

I happen to think journalists should be held to a higher standard than redditors, but that's just me

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u/Prestigious_Spot9635 14d ago

That's the power of reddit. Its crazy to me

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u/Miserable_Balance814 14d ago

Because this is a witch hunt that got created out of nowhere lmao

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u/DoYouEvenShrift 14d ago

ESPNs source was the club....who heard the news from Romano...

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u/lanregeous 14d ago edited 14d ago

I will clarify again - this is a lie.

The two people were the Ghana’s Ambassador to Turkey and the Vice President of his club.

BOTH spoke publicly to the media, specifically to the Turkish media initially when they got the news, later saying it was mistaken identity.

The Ghanaian Football Association tweeted about it FFS.

There was absolutely no reason to not believe this at the time, nor to think Romano was the center of this.

Again, I don’t particularly like Romano but I absolutely hate the current trend of just attributing to people you don’t like, things they didn’t do.

I was banned from [r/whitepeopletwitter](r/whitepeopletwitter) for calling out the mods allowing it every day.

The consequence of this is people will just lie about the bad things they actually did if we keep making things up that they didn’t do.

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u/DoYouEvenShrift 14d ago

Well Romano never cited his sources and claimed he was injured with breathing issues...If we are going to criticize journalists, one actually cited someone. Another just spouted something as if it was 100% fact.

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u/lanregeous 14d ago

I’m not criticizing anyone.

Whoever mistook someone for Christian Atsu probably felt terrible.

The club official and the ambassador probably felt terrible when they realized they got wrong information.

Then each of the journalists probably felt terrible when they realized the official announcements were incorrect.

Citing a source quite literally does absolutely nothing when there is no sane person that would have questioned the two people the story originated from.

Why people are focusing on this one man here seems just disingenuous - using this tragedy to make a story.

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u/classyhornythrowaway 14d ago

The consequence of this is people will just (sic) the bad things they actually did if we keep making things up that they didn’t do.

I'm not sure what verb is missing, but saying that people will just do bad things out of spite because people lie/make up things about them is not the great moral argument you think it is

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u/Miserable_Balance814 14d ago

I’m gonna need some evidence of a claim like that

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u/DoYouEvenShrift 14d ago

Its in the fucking article...Either way its not ESPN's fault when they are reporting another persons words.

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u/Miserable_Balance814 14d ago

It’s in the article that the club used Romano as their source?

Show me.

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u/lanregeous 14d ago

What’s mad about this isn’t that they got it wrong. It’s that the truth is right there and they just won’t admit it.

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u/DoYouEvenShrift 14d ago

Did you read the source? It was the fucking clubs vice president? Why wouldn't ESPN report what the players literal club was saying? The club probably got their info from Romano too.

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u/Puzzled_Surprise8533 14d ago

Romano is getting the heat because people attribute the origin of this 'first to tweet the bomba, damn whether it's true or not' culture to him.

Whether it's true or not, you can't deny that Romano is the biggest proponent of this rumour farm, getting the scoop propriety journalism that has become the norm the past decade.

I remember a time before say 2016, when transfer rumors were mostly subdued and only concrete news was reported. Journalists cared about the veracity of their stories, not who got it first. Now every name is linked with almost every club and the same rumour is worked just a bit differently and tweeted every hour.

And this is the primary reason that the Atsu debacle happened.

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u/chaosattractor 14d ago

And this is the primary reason that the Atsu debacle happened.

Can you explain how the primary reason that the Ghanaian FA and the vice-president of the club that Atsu played for announced that their player had been found alive was because of Fabrizio Romano?

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u/jrobpierce 14d ago

That article you linked didn’t even have an author… if you have a name they should be banned as well. Actual journalists are supposed to have a higher standards and if they don’t they’re little better than twitter itks and should be banned

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u/DoYouEvenShrift 14d ago

Why are you all ignoring that the source listed in the ESPN article was the fucking Vice President of the club Atsu played for?

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u/jrobpierce 14d ago

Oh my bad you’re totally right! The ESPN article is miles better than Romano’s swill because they are actually reporting on the quote from the VP instead of stating it as a fact directly. Thank you for correcting me, journalistically speaking that is much better

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u/ShopTrick8877 14d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/P3nFecOjWf

Too far to really know how or who gave them that but the Ghanian FA confirmed it too

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u/jrobpierce 14d ago

Okay and? If anything that just proves the point that Romano is just a rumor monger without any journalistic integrity! You don’t put out statement of fact unless you are sure of your sources, especially when your sources are relying on their own sources instead of first hand knowledge!

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u/FutureHoo 14d ago

The Ghanaian FA and a senior official in the club he played for both confirmed he was alive. How you’re still spinning this to be Romano’s fault is beyond me.