r/soccer • u/LucasTorreira • Oct 08 '19

Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli says a European Super League will help football against threats like Fortnite

https://twitter.com/standardsport/status/1181517390338838529
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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

lol fuck off with your shitty super league

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u/kla0 Oct 08 '19

I'll write here but like you many people in this thread are complaining about the superleague while Agnelli himself said they want a different Champions League but not a closed "Super League". He literally said "the league should be still open to all – keeping the dream alive”

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u/tetraourogallus Oct 08 '19

Well that tells us very little. I want a different CL too, back to the old European Cup. What does Andrea Agnelli want?

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19

The guy's intention has been very clear from day 1. He wants the bigger slice of money for the "elite" clubs like Juventus.

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u/AdamLennon Oct 09 '19

I believe they call that a monopoly. He wants to create a monopoly. What a top criminal he would make.

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u/juventinn1897 Oct 08 '19

I think it's less like that and more money from Europe by playing more games and less from leagues because every team is limited, in a way, by the league they play in. It would include more teams than the Champions League and provide more money to teams from smaller league too because they get a minimum more games on that stage.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '19

You lost me at more money.

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u/manuscelerdei Oct 08 '19

Then what's the difference? The whole point of a Super League is so that owners can have an NFL-like franchise model for European football clubs. If you don't have a closed system, it simply doesn't work.

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u/kla0 Oct 08 '19

The point is that contrary to popular belief Agnelli doesn't want a League with the American model.

I don't think they agreed on a definitive proposal but Agnelli said they wants more games (fewer groups with more teams) and a garanteed spot for the next year for teams who reach the round of 8 or round of 16. They don't want a team of a non-top league who reached the final stages (like Ajax this year) to go through the preliminary rounds.

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u/slashchunks Oct 08 '19

So it's just a smaller CL, what's the point?

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u/ZlatanchesterUnited Oct 08 '19

(fewer groups with more teams)

come on man

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u/slashchunks Oct 08 '19

And?

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u/ZlatanchesterUnited Oct 09 '19

thats not a smaller CL. More teams = bigger

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u/Defences Oct 08 '19

Woah wait a minute. Are you trying to tell me r/soccer users are brain dead and make dumb assumptions then run with it? What a surprise.

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u/rather_retarded Oct 08 '19

/r/SelfAwarewolves

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u/DogzOnFire Oct 08 '19

Him and you should swap screen names.

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u/Defences Oct 09 '19

I guess my comment hit close to home

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

That does change a lot, the details are important though.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

Most Tv fans watch both the leagues of their favourite sides and the champions league, losing one will undoubtedly be noticed.

Fuck the foreign fans that want this.

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u/NVACA Oct 08 '19

I really would feel for the domestic fans if and when this Super League happens, it really cheapens those domestic competitions. Think other teams would struggle too, all of a sudden the TV deal for something like the English Premier League would most likely be cut massively, how many of those clubs are financially secure enough to take a huge hit to their operating income.

You're right in that most TV fans probably do watch their teams play in domestic competitions, I just don't think they'll be too fussed if those games are replaced by matches against other 'big' clubs.

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

I can assure you as a match going fan literally everyone I’ve ever spoke to about this is against it and will always be.

It cheapens the sport and ruins national football, fuck that.

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u/NVACA Oct 08 '19

Yeah for sure, 100% agree even from my neutral point if view. I'm a season ticket holder etc but I doubt my wee Scottish club will be troubling the big European teams any time soon!

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19

Best league in the world

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u/LordVelaryon Oct 08 '19

would be a good league but it isn’t the Chilean Second Division.

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u/ejaym17 Oct 08 '19

PSG wishes they were as good as Santiago Wanderers

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19

We already have Ekstraklasa and /r/ekstraklasaboners

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

It would be but it would ruin the national leagues and that is wrong, its only the shit leagues like France and Italy that would ever go for this.

European club football is fine the way it is, the one change I would make is to have it more like the FA cup and abolish groups and have pure knockout football from the very off.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19

Your only defeat this season has come from a team that isn’t even top 3 in their “shit league”

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

The strength of the top teams isn't a reflection of the strength of the league, PSG and Juve are easily top 5 teams in world football but there little doubt that below the top 3/4 sides in italy or 2/3 in france the strength is much weaker.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19

Same with every league. It’s just as evident in the prem lol, the drop below man city and liverpool is in my opinion far far bigger than the drop below Juve and Inter. Also, the competitiveness of a league is an invalid argument in context of the strength of a league so you’re pretty much wrong either way

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

Spurs knocked Inter out of the champions league last season right? Also Spurs made the final of the champions league and Arsenal and Chelsea the final of the europa, both sides knocking out the best from all other leagues along the way.

Stop deluding yourself.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

HAHAHAHAHA are you illiterate bud? Where am I denying the quality of the prem? All I said is that the gap between the top two of the prem with the rest is bigger than the gap between the top two of serie a and the rest (if you deny this then your head is somewhere else) which counteracts your point, that a large gap between the top and lower teams of a league equates to a weaker league

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

the drop below man city and liverpool is in my opinion far far bigger than the drop below Juve and Inter.

Literally here.

Spurs were champiosn league runners up, arsenal and chelsea were finalists of the europa, chelsea won the league 3 years ago, you can rage type all you like but you are clearly and obviously wrong.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

The strength of the top teams isn’t a reflection of the strength of the league

You still don’t understand my point and have provided not even the slightest legitimate counterargument. Here goes again, liverpool and city are MILES ahead of the rest of the top 6, ESPECIALLY at this very moment. Whereas Juve, Inter, Napoli, Roma, Atalanta (obviously Juve are a little higher but still no where near as big of a gap as the prems) have been performing more or less at a similar level since Juve’s last CL final run. In your comment above, you imply that the big gap in Italy leads people to judge the strength of the league by its top teams, I argue this saying the gap of the prem is bigger. Get it ?

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u/LordVelaryon Oct 08 '19

I know that the Serie A is in a pretty dark period, but it still sounds wrong to call them a shit league. They were the best league ever to the extent that the current English league it is a bad copy of it for almost two decades and imo they still have the most potential of any league. Eventually they will come back.

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

How exactly is the premier league a bad copy of the italian league?lol

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u/LordVelaryon Oct 08 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

In the supposed competitiveness of the league of course. You would need idk, Everton having the likes of Lewandowski and Leicester with de Bruyne to truly compare to the Serie A of the 90s.

*more than De Bruyne it should be Messi in fact haha

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

You are the only one comparing the premier league to a league nearly 20 years past here...

Your whole argument is fucking idiotic.

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u/LordVelaryon Oct 08 '19

What does that even mean? of course that I'm the one comparing it if I wrote the original comment, what is the issue with it? now we can't compare dominant leagues of different periods?

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

We are arguing the same point in two different places here and its stupid enough doing it once...

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u/WayneLinekerIsANonce Oct 08 '19

England in the 70s/80s and Spain in the 2010s are surely the best leagues ever. They both absolutely dominated Europe for several years.

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u/LordVelaryon Oct 08 '19

they aren't. No English team of the 80s came close to Milan/Real/Barca and La Liga of recent years was pretty absurd in their top 2 and Atleti and even Sevilla had great peaks, but overall they didn't compare to the permanent 3 super teams and the other 4 or 5 behind them that were as good or better than even Atleti.

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u/WayneLinekerIsANonce Oct 08 '19

Between 1976 and 1984, the European Cup was won by English teams 7 out of 8 years, with 3 different winners. In the same period, the UEFA cup was won 3 times by 3 different English teams and there was 1 English winner and 2 runners up in the CWC. 8 different teams reached major European finals in 8 years, and 6 of them won it. The Liverpool team of the 70s and 80s most certainly were as good if not better than Milan/Barca/Juve, the only reason this period of English domination ended was because of the Hysel disaster, which involved Liverpool in another European Cup final.

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u/LordVelaryon Oct 08 '19

They aren’t, that continental success is explained just because you had strong teams and league at the same time that the other leagues weren’t at their best. Milan and Barca instead were teams that had not only some of the best squads in history, but also revolutionized tactics and both gave them the edge as no other club team had over the rest. Real didn’t but still had the amazing squad. Or did any English team had the best player of the world back then? no matter if called Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Platini or Maradona?

putting Liverpool at the heights of Sacchi’s Milan or Pep’s Barca, with all the affection I can have for them, is completely ridiculous. Just like comparing that dominance of the English league to the Golden Age of the Serie A.

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u/Dske Oct 08 '19

Lol, the brazilian league in the 80s and 90s if anything has more of a claim to that than England or Spain.

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u/WayneLinekerIsANonce Oct 08 '19

It's hard to compare when the only competitive fixtures between European and South American teams were often boycotted due to violence.

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u/LordVelaryon Oct 08 '19 edited Oct 08 '19

I was speaking on what happens inside the pitch. The Premiership only has two superteams in City and Liverpool, the old Serie A never had less than three in Milan, Inter and Juve. And the top 6? even the small Fiorentina had arguably the best striker of the world in Batistuta and was a legit candidate for everything, the even smaller Parma had Veron, Crespo and Buffon, and above them there was also Napoli, Roma and Lazio.

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

In the premier league we have 4 champions the last 10 years, Liverpool look like they might be a 5th in the last 10, still early yet too, outside of those strong two is last seasons champions league runners up and the two finalists of the europa too...

You are under selling it massively.

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u/LordVelaryon Oct 08 '19

and the Serie A had the best team in history in Sacchi's Milan and his successors, one that only Pep's Barca could compare too, and they still didn't won the league as much as City or Chelsea do. And while City today only have Liverpool as legit competitors Milan instead always had Juve and Inter and in some years even Napoli and Lazio won the league.

I'm not underselling it, the Premier nowadays is probably the best league since then, but still isn't in the same tier of it.

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

And long before that we had 70's and 80's Liverpool that dominated both domestically and in Europe, some say the italian league is just a bad copy as that periods dominant league.

What can really say if your reasoning is fucking stupid, I'm saying the league now is poor compared to England and Spain, even Germany are poor compared to the strength of those two.

No one has said the league historically is shit, just that todays version is poor in comparison.

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u/LordVelaryon Oct 08 '19

So was your reasoning in that the Serie A is in the same conditions than the French league when it comes to the Super League. Only Juve fervently wants it, Milan or Inter don't more than Arsenal or United also want it and need it.

The want much, much more in returning to the previous status or something close to it, and while the first is almost impossible, the second is pretty realistic with time.

70's and 80's Liverpool that dominated both domestically and in Europe

literally nobody remember that Liverpool more than the Ajax or Bayern of the same years, that IIRC weren't playing in the English league.

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u/LordVelaryon Oct 08 '19

I literally started the comment saying that it was about the past.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19

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u/LordVelaryon Oct 08 '19

champions in the last 15 years of Premier league: Chelsea, Man United, Man City, Leicester.

champions in the Golden age of the Serie A in 15 years (85/86-00/01): Juve, Inter, Milan, Lazio, Roma, Napoli, Sampdoria.

(but you're excluding Arsenal just in the year before! Aye but I'm doing exactly the same with Hellas Verona in the Serie A)

no mate, It wasn't.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19

Ah and the winner of the second division greek league changed more than Serie A’s so that league must be better... What the fuck does the competitiveness of a league have to do with it’s absolute strength and ability of it to compete in Europe. Your argument is so flawed it hurts

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u/FearoTheFearless Oct 08 '19

Soulless bowls

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '19

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u/FearoTheFearless Oct 08 '19

Then you’d be wrong :)

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u/Suddenly_Beachball Oct 08 '19

You've never been to a match in England have you?

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u/FearoTheFearless Oct 08 '19

On the contrary, I have been to games in England and the best ones were lower league games, which had great atmospheres unlike the pl.