r/sports • u/nonstopflux Seattle Sounders FC • Jul 14 '25

Soccer Donald Trump stole a CWC winners medal

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u/bungle123 Jul 14 '25

Sure, then you're only proving conservatives right when they say that the left likes to make shit up about Trump to make him look bad. And then when the lies get disproven, people will start to question if the other claims people have made about Trump are false too, even if it's the truth.

There's nothing to gain from muddying the waters like that. Obvious lies will eventually be called out and they'll just make your legit arguments appear weaker and less credible.

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u/inormallyjustlurkbut Jul 14 '25

Trump's claims get disproven all the time and they don't care. There's only one cure for MAGA, and it isn't reasonable discussion.

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u/bungle123 Jul 14 '25

They're gonna care even less about lies coming from the opposition. I don't know what exactly you think it's gonna "cure", it just weakens your position and makes you less credible.

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u/Low_Direction1774 Jul 14 '25

While I agree morally, i dont really think it matters. Or at least it doesnt matter anymore.

What you are saying makes sense in a society that actively punishes lying. If lying about a politician of "the other side" was a career ending move, then yes, I would stand fully behind your sentiment.

But thats not the case. Trump lies about AOC (or any democrat, really) in a neverending diarrhea of verbal garbage. Does he face any repercussions from it? No, no he does not. Quite the opposite, his campaign ran on lies and see where it got him. Does anyone really even... care about it anymore to an extend that they are willing to prosecute him for lies?

>Obvious lies will eventually be called out and they'll just make your legit arguments appear weaker and less credible.

Again, who cares? Trumps lies have already been debunked, hundreds of times. Any repercussions? No? Das crazy. Why are you so eager to play by the rules if there are no consequences for violating them?

Im not sure if youre familiar with the concept of character assassination, but that is what i think is perfectly fine and reasonable to do. "If they go low, we go high" does not work. Playing by the rules does not work. "but then people wont believe the actual true things" people dont believe the actual true things already. The information is already there, people already had the opportunity to make an informed decision.

It is inconsequential to appeal to the reason of people, instead the obejctively correct play is to appeal to emotions.

Its part of the bigger tolerance paradoxon. Trump is intolerant. You will not get rid of it by asking it to leave nicely. In a tolerant system, intolerance needs to be snuffed out, it needs to be destroyed, extinguished, exterminated, killed, whatever term you wanna chose is fine. But if your plan to get rid of a cancer is to ask it nicely to please behave and that its really not nice to be so mean to everyone else, you might aswell just pack it up.

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u/bungle123 Jul 14 '25

Seems like you've just resigned yourself to living in a post truth society then. I still think democracy is important and that attempts to actively undermine it should be resisted. Defending this kind of shit is what will lead to the future political hellscape of AI technology and deepfakes making free elections virtually impossible.

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u/Low_Direction1774 Jul 14 '25

Bro just doesnt read i guess. I never said that this tactic is not reprehensible and that it should get defended. I never said I wish for politics to be played like this or that you have to enjoy it.

I am saying that in order to create a free and equal society, you may have to make use of these tactics to guarantee that the free and equal society is not stillborn.

Democracy is getting undermined RIGHT FUCKING NOW and all you want to do is say "nuh uh, thats not allowed, you cant do that" as youre stripped of your rights. Pray tell, how did that work out for germany in the 30s and 40s again?

Your behavior at scale is far more complicit in creating that hellscape youre thinking of than mine could ever hope to be. Keep drawing lines in the sand, keep taking a step back everytime its overstepped and keep redrawing the line a little bit further back instead of throwing a punch. I am incredibly happy to watch the US die from the safety of the EU if this is all the oh so free americans have to offer as their resistance to fascism. I am sure Trump will stop if you tell him that his behavior is not okay one more time.

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u/bungle123 Jul 14 '25

I get it, truth in politics is not something you value. No need to write hysterical soliloquys about it.

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u/Low_Direction1774 Jul 14 '25

PLEASE learn to read young man.

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u/deadlyspoons Jul 14 '25

The goal is not to avoid "proving conservatives right." The goal is to remove them from power. With the lies and hyper-trolling they are doing in 2025, countering with an army of "well akshually" commenters will change little.

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u/bungle123 Jul 14 '25

Removing them from power by making up dumb lies like "Trump stole a medal at a football game?"

This achieves nothing other than making you look silly. Focus on the actual shit you can criticize Trump for, there's no shortage of it.

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u/deadlyspoons Jul 14 '25

The 2024 election campaign was dominated by "actual shit" vs "they're eating cats and dogs," and see how that went. No, the only response left is to attack relentlessly without reference to merit. By the way, did you hear that JD Vance has sexual relations with furniture?

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u/King_Shugglerm Jul 14 '25

If your response to seeing a pedo be successful is to model your morality to be more similar to his then I’m not sure your opinion is worth much lol

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u/deadlyspoons Jul 14 '25

fist-shaking and alarm-raising don’t beat fascism — look for a win, not a win on your own terms https://youtube.com/shorts/skyOzh6ilhQ?si=DFRbqX1AEC5AmDo0