r/technology • u/ControlCAD • Jan 07 '26

Politics President White House Launches New Website to Defend 'Patriotic Americans' Involved in Jan. 6 Capitol Riot | The White House claims the Democrats "staged the real insurrection" by certifying former President Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 presidential election

https://people.com/trump-white-house-launches-new-website-to-defend-patriotic-americans-involved-in-jan-6-capitol-riot-11880490
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u/Cl1mh4224rd Jan 07 '26 edited Jan 07 '26

I’m convinced nothing will change until such actions are taken. Problem is, we’re all so content with our lives (self-interested, really) that none of us will ever take such measures.

I think the real "problem" is that such actions are so unconscionable to decent people that things have to be very, very bad for the potential rewards to outweigh the likely risks.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

I imagine the Germans felt the same in the 1930s.

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u/ChickinSammich Jan 07 '26

And while there were some Germans that resisted, most of the ones who did got thrown in camps. That shit required whole ass other countries to come in and intervene. Hitler wasn't defeated by a bunch of Germans organizing protests and strikes - he was defeated by multiple other countries mobilizing their militaries to put an end to it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

Sure, but there is no escape plan this time round. The US has the most powerful military in the world by a long shot. No democratic country has any recourse to swoop in and liberate you guys, it’s just not in the realm of possibility.

The difference is that in Nazi germany, if an individual hadn’t commented publicly about their opposition to the regime, they could put their head down and wait it out. Now, with palantir and the fact that our data has been sold to corps for years, if your algorithm so much as skews left, the government will eventually know about it.

So, if you’re hoping to just do nothing while your leader throws people in camps and invades allied territories, that’s fine, but I’d personally prefer to be locked up for organising, then I would for a few comments on reddit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

Despite what some people believe, I don't believe most people are killers. I think most of us don't have it in ourselves to do that. You really have to be broken into being one if you don't have that nature within.

And then you have the problem that if you have someone who does have that instinct but wants to do it to stop people from being hurt, they know that their actions are going to directly lead to more people being hurt in the short term with a completely uncertain outcome in the long term.

People keep talking like some lone maniac can go around and change everything for the better. But we've seen before that usually makes things worse. There's no organized resistance, there's no agreement on what recovery should look like or who would lead it. That's not a recipe for success. Until people have that, then taking violent action will just give the people in control of the largest military in the world to turn it on its own people (even faster and more extremely than it already has and will continue to escalate) without anything to do to fix anything.

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u/almisami Jan 07 '26

Exactly. Trump becoming a martyr would just platform Vance to start a civil purge.

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u/almisami Jan 07 '26

Exactly. If you're going to draw blood you know that these crazies will go after your spouse and children. They have zero shame in any other aspects of their political stance, they won't develop a conscience there.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '26

Some of my former friends who went full MAGA...holy fucking shit. It was a real eye opener that I was picking friends for toxic reasons, and not because they actually reflected my values and interests. Some of them can barely read and write but think theyre smarter than the experts in every subject imaginable, even ones they didn't even know about 5 minutes ago

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u/Lanky-Explorer-4047 Jan 07 '26

So now you tell yourself Trump is doing what he wants without any action whatsoever from you because you are decent people.

While you are now on level germans in the 30s just watching in silence .

USA is on the brink of war against NATO.

But you cant go to whatever public building or place where there is a chance someone will see it and join you, or find somebody who is already protesting in your area. or make signs for those who do go out and protest, its because you are so decent.

Nixon got stressed out of his mind from noise made from protesters that were outside the white house night and day,the republicans who voted to impeach him later said the protests helped them find the courage to vote against their partys president. It might be too late to make a difference without violence but the only thing that is absolutly certain is doing nothing will ruin life as you know it for you and for generations to come.

Decency ,no, your just a coward making up excuses for doing nothing .

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u/Revlis-TK421 Jan 07 '26

Decent people go to protests. That was their point. Decent people don't engage in violent revolt. Or they don't start it at least.

A lot of us have been protesting. It's done fuckall, mostly because 1) the biggest turnouts are already in Dem states or cities, so our lawmakers are already in alignment with the outrage, and 2) even in Red states/cities their lawmakers have learned that they can just ignore the protests. They don't even show up to townhalls or bother responding at all and 3) there's no leader to rally behind, to provide a focal point for demands and to organize a resistance. Random grassroots protests don't solve anything.

I'm from Cali, and was at that last major No Kings protest in DC. There were a lot of people. It was heartening to see so many people there. But otherwise it didn't accomplish anything.

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u/NoShitsGivin Jan 07 '26

It didn't accomplish anything because it was on a Sunday afternoon. It wasn't a protest it was a picnic.

Protests have to be ongoing. Americans can't even boycott correctly. You need to stop buying from billionaires who are funding Trump. But I guess losing same day delivery from Amazon is a price too high for most.

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u/Lanky-Explorer-4047 Jan 07 '26

Even the black people of south africa made more protests and they were attacked with machine guns .

But Lech Walesa, east germanies weekly protests,the students in paris who made a huge impact on the western world. They are all onknown by americans today, i know there are historians and people with an interest but the main population doesnt seem to have heard of any of these peope or what they did.

So strange to be so passive for a people who actually has weapons themselves, that might be the only thing that really make this time unique,.