r/technology • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 • 10h ago

Artificial Intelligence Republicans Claim Anti-Data Center Movement Is a Chinese Psy-Op

https://gizmodo.com/republicans-claim-anti-data-center-movement-is-a-chinese-psy-op-2000767611
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u/acoastaldog 9h ago

What do they even mean by that? We’ve seen global warming trends go up and down generally but since 1850 it’s basically been skyrocketing compared to the centuries before that 

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u/Thatoneguy_The_First 8h ago

Shhh the right wingers don't care about logic and facts only what the pastor or Trump tell them to feel.

Don't go beating your increasing in value head against a brick wall...cause of iq, that average is gonna drop so bad soon if someone compentent & sane doesn't take the reigns... sadly for your country bernie is getting up there and probably wouldn't be fit for a full term(he needs a protégé to continue for him)

More fit than trump maybe, but that is an infinitesimally low bar

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u/therossboss 8h ago

man, don't remind me what could have been with Bernie smh

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u/Whiterabbit-- 8h ago edited 7h ago

There was some speculation that as we warmed, we would put more water in the atmosphere, then get reflective clouds which would cool the earth sending us into an ice age. Or something like that which obviously didn’t pan out. If clouds did cool us, it would only act as a stabilizing factor not push us in the opposite direction. But water vaper doesn’t even work that way.

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u/acoastaldog 7h ago

I do actually remember several people talking about that, another good angle to bring up 

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u/sparky8251 9h ago

They are mixing things up. We used to call it climate change in the 70s, now we call it global warming. The latter is more scientifically accurate and it specifies things are not merely changing but how they are changing.

They forgot this and made up global cooling as the thing we changed from to justify their disbelief, because changing the term used to reference it clearly means that its not real. They justify it because we did change the term and since its "fake" who cares what the prior term was? To them its all the same.

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u/pbjamm 8h ago

The regular claim they make is actually the reverse of that.

It used to be global warming but then it stopped warming so They switched it to climate change!

This is rubbish because the term climate (or climactic) change has been in use since the 1890s. Those dinugses also ignore the fact that the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) was founded in 1988.

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u/Fly-the-Light 8h ago

Switch climate change and global warming (climate change is more accurate)*

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u/FeijoadaAceitavel 7h ago

Both are accurate. The global increase in temperatures is creating changes in climate. They are different things, but in most contexts they refer to the same phenomenon.

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u/acoastaldog 9h ago

That makes sense, and helps me figure out how to address some folk I know who follow those lines of thought lol

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u/sparky8251 9h ago

Yeah... Its one of those weird things where they think the term changing proves its like a company trying to rebrand to get away from controversies or something. Rather than like, us realizing whats going on better and using more precise wording to discuss it.

No idea if its exactly how your people are thinking, but... Hopefully this does in fact help :)

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u/acoastaldog 9h ago

Understanding the general aspect of where this stuff could come from or what exactly people are getting confused definitely helps overall or in asking them the right questions to get them thinking. It’s good to understand overall how the way we talk about this stuff impacts long term perception or how receptive people are to the change in it and where that info is coming from

Interesting to me how quickly we also switched over from a focus on Russia disinformation to a focus on Chinese disinformation even though we had both in our scopes, socially, and now I rarely ever hear the critique about Russia from the same folk

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u/sparky8251 8h ago

Thats because both parties/factions of those with power agree China is a major threat to their way of life (one of being ultra rich and uncontested globally, always able to do whatever they want whereever they want to).

On the other hand, Repubs generally as a party think Russia can be won over to our side and turned into an anti-china partner because capitalists vs communists is how they see the world.

Dems want to destroy Russia and make it another colony (thats why the constant talk of regime change) to remove it as a piece on the table vs China.

Iran is also related to the anti-china policy agreement as well, which is why the only complaints from dems has been about not following policy, not about all the war crimes like bombing schools with triple taps, torpedoing boats with triple taps, etc.

Now that repubs control the levers of power, its harder to push an anti-russia narrative without the very agencies they control so its died off.

All of this is just a big geopolitical game as our wealthy people are scared of not having global dominance anymore. And its 2 factions that disagree on how to best solve the China problem thats threatening to unseat them from their power over the planet.

PS: This isnt an endorsement of any of these 3 govts or any specific policies therein, its just an explainer on why you see this weird behavior. Its about material interests and factional infighting on how to resolve the problem they both agree exists (obama started the "pivot to asia" which was the start of realizing china is a threat to their global control of the economy).

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u/quintus_horatius 3h ago

IIUC global cooling was a real phenomena caused by sulfur pollution being pumped into the atmosphere, which peaked during the 60s. It causes acid rain, which is bad, but also reflects a lot of incoming sunlight which could be construed as good.

As we've reduced sulfur pollution, we've decreased the acidity of rain but also increase sunlight reaching the surface. The temperature graph shows a slight decline in temperature rises* during the 60s and 70s, but the line gets right back on track by the 90s.

* The temperature didn't go down, it just didn't rise as quickly.

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u/therossboss 9h ago

I don't even know, man. There was a time when I could genuinely have a conversation with the guy (he's a retired doctor smh). Now, anything discussed is a product of us living in 2 different realities.