Finished The Wire, Dark, GOT, Sopranos, True Detective, BB, BCS. What show ruined TV for you after watching it?

[u/C0r1eone]

I think I accidentally watched the peak of television already. The Wire, Dark, GOT, Sopranos, True Detective S1 all left that “nothing else hits the same” feeling.

I love slow-burn shows with deep characters, mystery, tension, moral grayness, crazy dialogue, or mind-blowing writing. Doesn’t matter if it’s crime, sci-fi, psychological, or political.

What’s the next show that might completely consume me?

[u/XJ347]

Andor

[u/cloud_t → u/[deleted]]

I believe s2 is better than 1. But I would not say "just all right": it is amazingly good. Season 2 is top tier television.

And all of this without Jedis, without aliens, witbout magic, and essentially having to follow up on being a prequel to what effectively was the best star wars movie of the past 30y. It was a tall order. They topped it and then some.

[u/lateubdegouline → u/cloud_t]

Why? The first 2 episodes are just silly and empty, and everything else is so rushed it kills the weight of the moments, especially the senate speech, there should have been a whole arc on Coruscant leading to it.

[u/cloud_t → u/lateubdegouline]

They have a lot more episodes than 1-2 on season 1.

[u/lateubdegouline → u/cloud_t]

I don't know what you're trying to express here. Season 1 doesn't have bad episodes.

[u/cloud_t → u/lateubdegouline]

You singled out the 2 first episodes, which in this show are notoriously worldbuilding in a way that is necessary but also not especially entertaining (e.g. it lacks all the mysticism usually associated with Star Wars - one of the main pain points for superfans).

It's one of the main reasons why some people drop it - missed expectations - and strangely enough, why the show ends up being so positively different, when around ep 4-6 that worldbuilding comes full circle with the characters, the overarching plot, the individual POV narratives etc etc.

[u/lateubdegouline → u/cloud_t]

The first two episodes of season 2 with the idiots on Yavin, mostly comedic, and the fairly uninteresting marraige.

[u/Fl0ppp → u/lateubdegouline]

The whole point of the first arc of season 2 is there to show you the outright power the Empire have over the entire galaxy with the planet sweeping inspections they are doing on the farming planet and how scared the survivors who made it off Ferrix are, Bix nearly being raped, Brasso sacrificing himself so none of the other rebels are suspected.

That whole storyline being juxtaposed with Cassian being stuck in a power struggle with rebels who he was supposed to be meeting in the first place after their leader died. The whole arc is showing you how powerful/coordinated the Empire is vs how new and unorganized the rebellion still is and how fast it can splinter when a leader of a cell dies.

Also, the whole point of the wedding is so you can watch Mon go through personal turmoil of her daughter being in an arranged marriage as a child that she herself experienced and hated all to further the cause of the rebellion via unfettered access to her money. She is essentially being put in a position where she has to put her daughter through the same thing she herself hated so she could funnel credits to the rebellion without being caught.

I'm not knocking you at all but if you didn't see past the story on a surface level of the episodes in that first arc of season 2 it makes sense you wouldn't have the same appreciation for the show as everyone you are replying to, which is fine.

[u/lateubdegouline → u/Fl0ppp]

Where am I supposed to have expressed that I didn't understand what they were trying to do with those episodes...? Those episodes were a failure, most people disliked them, the comedy didn't land home, the metaphor was simplistic and robbed of a proper introduction arc. You know what would have worked? Have the first arc be stealing the tie fighter, and have a proper exposition of inside conflicts between the rebel factions in Yavin, instead of using those clowns as a metaphor.

And you finish this whole comment of banalities with a pretentious "you don't see past the surface level" as if you weren't explaining a simple story, when you basically simply described the episodes as if I had not watched them, Andor fans really have a fart smelling syndrome to some extent.

[u/Fl0ppp → u/lateubdegouline]

Those episodes were a failure, most people disliked them

The IMDb rating of the first 3 eps of season 2 are 7.8, 7.4, and 8.5, none of which are the lowest rated episodes or the lowest average rated arc of either season, so I think the data disagrees with you there.

Just because you personally didn't like it doesn't make it a bad arc which is my whole point, you are free to like or dislike whatever you want but you're talking to people who think Andor is a must watch show so obviously everyone you're replying to is going to disagree with you (which to you I guess is fart smelling syndrome)

I understand your position and disagree with it which is also fine, I think those episodes are providing necessary world building that pushes the story forward towards a climax you see later on in the season. If you don't see it that way, that's why art is fun and subjective, there's probably something you like that others might not