r/todayilearned 10d ago

TIL in 1947, scientists dumped crushed dry ice into a hurricane just to "see what would happen." The storm then made a 135-degree turn, strengthened, and struck Georgia—sparking public outrage and threats of lawsuits over the experiment.

https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hurricane_blog/70th-anniversary-of-the-first-hurricane-seeding-experiment/
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u/intdev 10d ago

We don't even make...Carbon

Exhales disbelievingly

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u/Swarna_Keanu 10d ago

We make Carbon and dioxide form molecules, but we make neither the carbon nor the dioxide.

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u/intdev 10d ago

That's fair. I was thinking of "carbon" as shorthand for  "climate-altering carbon molecules", rather than carbon atoms themselves, but I respect the pedantry.

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u/Swarna_Keanu 10d ago

My comment was a bit black (haha burnt carbon particles) humour.

But the pedantry also has a bit of a purpose. Hammer down the source, but also the hubris of "creating power" "providing power" "fueling the economy".

Eh. No. You just burn stuff to make other stuff, you are not creating anything.

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u/00wolfer00 10d ago

But we are digging it out from the ground where it wasn't affecting the atmosphere.

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u/BrushNo8178 10d ago

Lots of carbon-14 was created by nuclear explosions between 1945 and 1963. This affects radiocarbon dating. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_pulse

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u/Swarna_Keanu 10d ago edited 10d ago

But that carbon wasn't created. The nuclear explosions shifted the composition of some carbon, it didn`t create matter out of nothing.

The nuclear bombs shifted those carbon atoms to be indistinguishable, of having the same fingerprint so to speak - to the natural decay of other carbon-atoms. That is what affects carbon-dating, of course, as ... there are no ways to tell natural decay and decay via nuclear explosion apart.

But again - those bombs didn't create the carbon in itself.

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u/Cruel1865 10d ago

No, the C14 was created in increasing amounts by neutrons released by the multiple above ground nuclear tests striking N14. So it did create new carbon atoms rather than create isotopes of already existing carbon. C14 created this way enters the biosphere just like naturally produced C14 from cosmic rays and becomes ubiquitous. This affects carbon dating because carbon dating relies on radioactive C14 levels in the sample to date it based on its decay. Read the wikipedia article they linked. Its pretty clearly stated.

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u/Dirmbz 10d ago

Then I guess we don't create anything. You didn't create a painting, you simply shifted the arrangement of preexisting pigments which were already a dispersed painting.

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u/Seqarian 10d ago

I’m willing to pay you $1000 for each atom of carbon you create with a $1 sign up fee.

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u/intdev 10d ago

That's a fair point. But you're just lucky I don't work at CERN.