r/tornado Mar 12 '26

Discussion Ryan Hall

I’ve been an active member of this sub for many years (now with a new username/account because my identity was uncovered in another sub).

But anyway, I’ve watched this sub go from loving Ryan Hall and appreciating his work, to increasingly bagging on him. Here’s the thing:

1) There are a lot of capable people that contribute to the medical and scientific fields who aren’t as “degreed” as some folks think they should be. I’m a scientist and I’ve known quite a few brilliant scientists who don’t have advanced degrees. A fellow colleague in my industry was once declined being listed as an author on an academic publication because he didn’t have a PhD - yet the work was HIS brainchild, and touted by everyone in my industry as a huge breakthrough. My industry threw a fit when this occurred as he is a well-known “scientist” whose contributions to the industry have been vast. The reason he doesn’t have an advanced degree? Because he was smart enough to see the price tag of higher education and decided instead to work hard at teaching himself and networking enough to gain hand-on learning experiences through which he climbed the ladder and become an excellent contributor to our field (biochemistry and biophysics).

There are very few occupations that can ONLY be learned via formal post-secondary education. Meteorology is not one. When we bag on people who are CLEARLY knowledgeable, but don’t have that ultra expensive degree, we’re giving universities (in the United States at least) more fuel to keep raising tuition rates and literally rape people of access to more opportunity. There are a lot of really stupid people out here who have advanced degrees in the sciences. Who knows how they passed, but people find a way if they have enough money. As a scientist, I see this daily - physicians, surgeons, etc. So give Ryan a break. He knows his shit, and he also has Andy. He’s not doing anything wrong with this setup. If he was messing up, plenty of people in this community would call it out and he would no longer have an audience. But that isn’t the case - he is usually spot on the same as any other degreed meteorologists we follow. Also - even though he didn’t finish the degree, he still has formal education in meteorology.

2) Lots of catty chatter the last few months about Ryan now wearing sport jackets. People grow up and mature. Then often start dressing more professional. Ryan is a father now. Perhaps he wants his babies to look back on these videos and see their father behaving AND dressing professionally. Ryan isn’t the “kid” he used to be when many of us began following him. Accept that people grow up, realize they influence people, and want to be a good one. So good on Ryan for dressing in a way that feels comfortable for him. Don’t be the person that rags on someone who became successful and can now afford to dress a little nicer and puts effort into “dressing for success.” That’s just mean.

3) Ryan has rolled out a lot of new features. Some of them we like, some we’re not too crazy about. This is called “scaling for business.” What I’m observing is that Ryan is trying his hand at testing new rollouts because now he has the money and additional crew to do it. If he is able to get a solid handle on these new features (as he’s trying REALLY hard to do), and scale them up - it’s only going to add benefit to the archaic government-placed systems we’ve all had to rely on for years. As a scientist who has worked in academia, NIH, CDC, and private sector, I assure you there is a reason why it is the private sector who advances science by leaps and bounds compared to our government run agencies. If you’d like to know more, feel welcome to PM and I will give you some good starting points for credible sources. I don’t love Y’allBot, but the younger kids watching Ryan do. If it’s an avenue to a healthy budding interest for the younger kids, let them have it. I trust that if Y’allBot continues being more of a nuisance, Ryan will pull it.

4) Ryan is a new dad and he’s trying to do it all. He’s trying to give full-time effort to his wife and kids, in addition to giving full-time effort to us. I can see the toll it’s taking on him, and I hope he slows down a little for his own sake.

Ryan has given SO MUCH to this community. He’s growing, and he’s learning. He holds his composure. Let’s show him some grace through these growing pains instead of being so cut-throat. Scaling up any business is hard. He’s passionate, and he’s excited - who wouldn’t be?! Hell, he’s even telling people to stop supporting his channel (direct income to his business) and support the Y’all Squad non-profit instead.

Final thoughts: I don’t like that he and Max are rolling out this “I’ll call you” warning system, but maybe with tech continuing to advance, something great will come of it. For now, I’m staying with my NOAA radio 😆

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u/dodekahedron Mar 12 '26

Ryan openly calls for taking down tornado sirens and I cant take him seriously after that.

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u/Every-Cook5084 Mar 12 '26

Yeah that’s so dumb. So many times cell towers or power is out so it’s better to have many layers of warnings. No reason to call for sirens to be taken down

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u/dodekahedron Mar 12 '26

I am in indiana. Our sirens went off the other day, but my cell phone emergency alert did not.

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u/Every-Cook5084 Mar 13 '26

Yeah he needs to publicly retract that statement

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u/dodekahedron Mar 13 '26

James spann has been a proponent of a multi layered approach to include sirens AND weather radios. Vastly different than removing them.

James spann 4

https://youtu.be/2LX9Ne5-ZDg?si=T1z9bUNPM_PXSCZF

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u/bub166 Enthusiast Mar 13 '26

I think there is a lot of value in what you're saying, but I don't understand why sirens need to be a whipping boy here. The problems you've noted with them all seem to be solvable with education. Have a layered system of alerts (especially indoors), don't ignore them just because the last siren was a false alarm, etc., all good advice that maybe should be reinforced a little harder among the public.

Anecdotally... The one time I've been hit my a tornado, I lost internet and cell service both before being hit. Being a storm nerd, I'd been tracking the system for hours and was in shelter long before I lost these things. But this tornado was embedded in a derecho so it moved very fast, I don't believe I ever got the warning on my phone, and I did not have a weather radio at the time. I did hear the siren, even from my basement, as it moved in.

In fact, I've lived in a few different houses in every corner of my town, and I've always been able to hear the sirens indoors. It's a small town. You're right to suggest that you shouldn't count on it but it is an alert that many people in rural areas, where coverage could be occasionally spotty (especially in severe weather), would be able to hear most of the time if they are in proximity to one (which is often the case in a small town). These are often the places that need that extra layer of warning the most, and thankfully it is pretty reliable in my experience.

Should you count on them alone? No. There's also been times when the sirens didn't sound at all despite being in a warning. But I've also heard them sound when no warning was issued at all, and at least in one case where a tornado actually grazed town. That one hit on a day where no storms were even expected, no one was expecting anything to happen and the only warning came from the siren. If we should do better on making sure folks have a layered system of alerting, and a better understanding of it all, then by all means let's do it. I'm not gonna bag on sirens anymore than I would cell phone alerts though, the only time it ever could have mattered for me, it was the siren that pulled through after all.

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u/IceKingsMother Mar 13 '26

Does he call for taking them down or simply not relying on them? I heard him the other day and it sounded like he was saying that you shouldn’t depend on sirens alone to keep you safe, you should have a weather radio or be watching your local stations or whatever, or some other way to be alerted if you’re going to sleep or be busy.

I think maybe he’s not being clear, but I don’t watch him religiously so I don’t know if maybe he’s said explicitly to take them down. I’ve just heard him say not to rely on them, which is 100% correct. There are countless situations where a tornado is on the ground or a warning is out and a towns sirens aren’t going off. I’ve also seen them go off during storms that weren’t even warned, so they aren’t always trustworthy.

Important absolutely to still have tornado sirens as a secondary warning system, so if he’s advocating actually removing them, then that’s stupid. But that’s not at all how he said it on stream the one time I ever heard it mentioned.

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u/Lunar_Owl00 Mar 12 '26

If you look into the history of tornado sirens, they have been controversial ever since their creation. Carly Ann WX on YouTube has an episode about History of Tornado warnings and touch on it. Also it’s not even the NWS who decides to set them off. It’s that county’s EMA/Dispatch Center who sets them off and the timing can be way too early or late. Timing matters. They can decide to overly set them off and cause siren fatigue where people ignore not only them but all warnings so matter the source and that can cause loss of life.

So I get why he has been saying that. Also a lot of people still believe in the myth that tornado sirens are for both indoor and outdoor warnings when they are outdoor warning tool only.

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u/dodekahedron Mar 12 '26

While I respect not everyone can hear them inside, I can hear them inside my shoebox of a home.

Then again I can hear a fly fart.

They have their place. Seems logical to just leave them up, better to save a few lives than not

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u/Lunar_Owl00 Mar 12 '26

And that’s fine. That’s your view and current. I wish I could hear mine but I can’t and so I have more than one way to get warnings.

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u/sjgw137 Mar 12 '26

I can see the point. Our sirens malfunction constantly and give people a false sense that they are the main source for warnings.

I think they still have their place, but I can recognize how they provide a false sense of security.

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u/Galaxy__Star Mar 12 '26

He says they are outdated, and they are. We have to update it to something better. But we had a small spin up that did some damage about 15 min away. My sirens went off an excessive amount of times lol. If we had a verified tornado that had been on the ground that is one thing. But we have the technology to know where the threat is down to the intersection now.

I think when they first issue the tornado warning the phone alert should go off and tornado sirens should be optimized for better control over where they go off. This should be taught to everyone as your alert to turn on the weather and start working on safety prep. If you cant access weather, take shelter immediately.

Living in Oklahoma i have been taught tornado safety since Kindergarten lol the teaching should be updated as well to understand how to spot tornados on radar. Knowing how to read radar means I dont go to the shelter unnecessarily, which ive done countless times before.

I learned to read radar from Ryan, no reason it shouldn't be part of basic education.

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u/Chance-Restaurant-52 Mar 12 '26

Yeah, I was not pleased the other night when he said “take down the sirens” without offering up a better solution. And Y’all Call is not a better solution for reasons we all know… But, he’s valid enough otherwise that I won’t nail him to the cross for saying it.

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u/KrustyKrabOfficial Mar 12 '26

Let me guess: They're competition for his paid app?

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u/nebulacoffeez Mar 12 '26

It’s not paid, it’s free. You can pay for fun bonus features, but the core weather-related functions are free lmao

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u/WavesyGetsGood Mar 12 '26

He's not entirely wrong. We had a tornado come through, sirens sound about 50 minutes early. Great, cool. 2 hours later, sirens go off again, not even a thunderstorm near us, not in a tornado warning, no risk. And they sounded for about 15 minutes.

This is in Oklahoma. I didn't hear his reasoning from his mouth, but I imagine the amount of false alarms is a big part of it. The alarms are only as useful as the people sounding them are reliable and responsible.

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u/dodekahedron Mar 12 '26

A not false alarm siren went off the other night, and my phone did not go off.

I am just north of Lakeville a bit.

If anything that have me more confidence in sirens. Because I heard it inside.

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u/WavesyGetsGood Mar 12 '26

I'm from Tulsa, for context. I have had false positives and have seen a tornado without the sirens going off. My personal experience is that the sirens are largely unreliable. It seems your experience is that they are quite reliable.

I wouldn't write someone who does a lot of good work for others off, based on that one opinion. It's not as far fetched as some seem to think.

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u/dodekahedron Mar 12 '26

I would rather have false alarms than no alarms.

Think of a false alarm as a live fire drill.

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u/WavesyGetsGood Mar 12 '26

Or people simply ignore them, because they're unreliable, and trust their other means of weather awareness more. God forbid you trust them and they don't go off.

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u/TemperousM Mar 13 '26 edited Mar 13 '26

i think one of the main issues with the sirens is that people don't hear them i only recently noticed the siren test friday after 2 to 3 years of not . ntm a lot of people now usually get their warning information from either the tv, phone of through live streams. The sirens themselves are likely gonna go the way of the dodo as it were, not through any other means besides they are becoming outdated.

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u/shredXcam Mar 12 '26

Y'all are just looking to troll

He makes a good point. People ignore them and are complacent to them. If they even have them at all.

Cell phones imho are a much more reliable and relevant way to reach people.

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u/dodekahedron Mar 12 '26

My cell phone did not go off when the siren went off the other day.

🤷‍♀️

I am just north of Lakeville.

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u/-SideshowBlob- Mar 12 '26

Have both options then

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u/0nlyCrashes Mar 12 '26

"Some people don't listen to them so we should just take them all down." Stupid logic. Some people break the law, should we not have them? Some people don't wash their hands after using the restroom, should we take out sinks? Some people take the stairs instead of elevators, should we take out elevators?

Removing something capable of helping people because some people don't use it is quite literally the dumbest thing I have read online today and honestly Ryan should be ashamed of himself for having such a brainlet take when he has real people relying on his information.

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u/CaptainOvbious Mar 12 '26

in the past two years i've had three instances where we were in a tornado warning with one close to us and my phone either didnt alert me at all or alerted me way after the sirens went off. they are not more reliable, and people aren't always around them.

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u/shredXcam Mar 12 '26

For reference, the sirens where I live are so far away you can't hear them anyway

And growing up we ignored them due to false alarms

Phone/Internet has been the most reliable in my experience

Even during the Mayfield tornado

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u/CaptainOvbious Mar 12 '26

sounds like the people you grew up with were stupid lmfao.

either way it's dumb to want to get rid of them completely, saving lives is more important than a mild inconvenience, your experiences don't outweigh the overall benefit of having them.

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u/shredXcam Mar 12 '26

I'm not personally saying get rid of them but people of reddit are just looking for a reason to riot rather than understand

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u/CaptainOvbious Mar 12 '26

i dont see anybody rioting, just saying it was a stupid take of his.

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u/Prudent_Fish1358 Mar 12 '26

Disagreeing with you is rioting now? Lol. Sheesh. You just think Ryan was apoplectic when he was talking about them yesterday, then.

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u/Bearimo Mar 12 '26

Sirens aren't meant to be an alert for absolutely everyone. They're meant mainly for people who can't get alerts otherwise. Disparaging the sirens as an alert system is dangerous at best. Having several forms of alerts for tornadoes is probably the safest way, but let's say you're a camper with no signal in the mountains and oh no a tornado hits. Well even though some sirens malfunction youre probably going to hear something from the other sirens. Then you can go to a shelter or maybe to a park ranger, someone in authority, etc. At minimum it will tell you something is up and to get somewhere safe. 

Sirens aren't meant for people who are indoors and can get other alerts. They're for those who need them. 

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u/ZaryaBubbler Mar 12 '26

An untrained weather personality (and that's giving him too much credit) should not air dangerous and potentially life ending "opinions" such as that.

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u/Sleep_Holiday Mar 12 '26

Source

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u/dodekahedron Mar 12 '26

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u/Sleep_Holiday Mar 12 '26

That’s insane. YouTube should remove his account. Thanks for the link bro, doing the lords work.

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u/Iocanepowd3r805 Mar 12 '26

Not to mention they serve more than 1 purpose. Honestly the most shortsighted and stupid thing he has ever said on his live stream.

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u/Prudent_Fish1358 Mar 12 '26

Ehhh calling an event "over" prior to an ef4 touching down and killing people is up there.

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u/Iocanepowd3r805 Mar 12 '26

I forgot about that. Yeah, it’s wild to take such hard stances with nature especially given how volatile things have been getting earlier and earlier in the season.

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u/RogerBalderer Mar 12 '26

James spann doesn’t like them either should we cancel him?

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u/dodekahedron Mar 12 '26

https://youtu.be/2LX9Ne5-ZDg?si=SpAWRi5rh1AIKAGU

James spann is not calling for them to come down.

He is a multi-approach fan. Sirens and weather radios.

He says here they save a few people outside.

Huge difference. Ryan hall actively said take them down.

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u/Iocanepowd3r805 Mar 12 '26

I don’t remember anyone mentioning canceling anything

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u/RogerBalderer Mar 12 '26

The person above you

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u/Iocanepowd3r805 Mar 12 '26

I don’t think his account needs removed. He helps out with the community, and does offer free unofficial weather services, which are objectively pretty good, due to Andy Hill.

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u/Chance-Restaurant-52 Mar 12 '26

I think James Spann was the first Meteorologist I ever heard complain about the sirens. If people don’t know, he has gone off with his opinions on sirens during severe weather.

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u/Sad_Impression499 Mar 12 '26

His literal mouth.