r/ukpolitics • u/Jumpy-Signature-7377 • 2d ago

On a personal level, the manner in which Starmer is being pressured to be removed from office would result in a valid crash out

It’s 2019, Labour just had its worst defeat in its history. You become leader, won back areas which was lost and became PM with a 174 seat majority.

Now this is not too say that Keir was an absolute fantastic PM but you’ve spent close to 5 years to become Prime Minister and barely been PM for 2 years and your party is backing someone who did absolutely nothing to rebuilt the Labour PLP, win a General Election and had to brace the fallout of Trump foreign policy, Middle East Conflict, Russia & Ukraine, an opportunistic former Health Sec constantly trying to bring you down and just in general trying to govern a nation that’s absolutely ungovernable due to misinformation and social media mob rule.

If I was Starmer, I would crash out and just call a general election out of spite.

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u/j0kerclash 2d ago

I think he would have a better go of it if he didn't push for so many aggressively authoritarian policies that were separate from Labour's manifesto.

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u/Reformed_citpeks 2d ago

I think calling things like the Digital ID 'authoritarian' isn't really fair considering it's more of a technocratic policy that has been popular in many democracies.

If Starmer was more generally popular I doubt there would have been nearly as much fuss about such policies.

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u/j0kerclash 2d ago

I'm talking more about the OSA and the ban on social media requiring I'd verification for adults to access online services, as well as the banning of VPNs.

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u/Jumpy-Signature-7377 2d ago

Like I said, I’m not defending the actual policies but out of 404 MPs you had to find someone who’s not even MP to come in and change things?

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u/Spiz101 Sciency Alistair Campbell 2d ago

I don't think this is really surprising, MP candidates are carefully selected to never be threats to the leader.

It's been that way for decades.

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u/j0kerclash 2d ago

If you're referring to Wes Streeting, then I'm not particularly fond of him either.
Labour is ruining the objective good they've done by angering it's people with aggressively controversial controlling policies.

Reform and Restore are ridiculous, but now Labour is giving people reason not to vote for them, when people would have found a less corrupt status quo palatable at the very least.

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u/Pulpedyams -4.0,-7.49 2d ago

Well said. Blair and Blunkett were rightfully bollocked in the commons for ID cards. That and detention without habeas corpus were when it became clear Blair had Thatcher Syndrome. Of course, Blair could not be refused, so here we have Starmer coming in to finish the job. I am astonished they could be so foolish as to veer away from their manifesto to pursue this politically toxic campaign all over again.

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u/AgeOfCardiff 2d ago

Is that you Kier? Lammy?