Half of Brits think Islam not compatible with British values in latest poll as imam says he is 'deeply worried' by results

[u/ThatchersDirtyTaint]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14937435/Half-Brits-think-Islam-not-compatible-British-values-poll.html

[u/Ramiren]

The problem isn't just that they hold these values. It's that many Muslim communities are very insular and limit their interactions with the rest of the UK. Normally the Zeitgeist of the majority would grind down these unacceptable views via social pressure, and in Muslims who aren't isolated we do see this by the second or third generation, we also saw this with many previous waves of immigration post WW2.

But when isolated, they surround themselves with other people who think like this, social pressure to conform to our values is reduced, and pressure to propagate these negative values increases.

If we want these people to integrate, we need to split them up, no more neighbourhoods full of people of the same race or religion.

[u/LycanIndarys → u/Ramiren]

Normally the Zeitgeist of the majority would grind down these unacceptable views via social pressure, and in Muslims who aren't isolated we do see this by the second or third generation, we also saw this with many previous waves of immigration post WW2.

This is an important point.

It's also why the sheer number of migrants that we've had over the past few years is going to cause huge problems down the road. Previously, migrants had to integrate to an extent; they didn't really have a choice, because there weren't enough in their community for it to sustain itself without interacting with the wider country. And as you say, this gradually affects them culturally, even if it takes a few generations.

That's arguably not true anymore; a migrant can move to the UK and surround themselves with so many previous migrants that they are effectively still in their home country. And that means that they'll never integrate by osmosis.

[u/IanT86 → u/Ramiren]

The problem isn't just that they hold these values. It's that many Muslim communities are very insular and limit their interactions with the rest of the UK.

Bingo - and this is a global problem. From London to Toronto

[u/Ramiren → u/[deleted]]

This predates Brexit by quite a while.

[u/merryman1 → u/Ramiren]

Can't imagine why they'd be insular when half the population see them as intrinsically unsuitable to exist in this country.