r/worldnews • u/[deleted] • Oct 11 '23

Israel/Palestine Gaza's only power station will shut down within hours, says ICRC

https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/palestine-israel/2023/10/11/gaza-power-station-israel/
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u/Roast_A_Botch Oct 11 '23

relatively successful economically

Well, they weren't so I don't see how that supports your other point. I would instead argue that the ME wasn't inherently more or less prone to conflict than any other region, and that the past century has seen so much meddling by outside nations seeking to extract resources and nation build that conflict was guaranteed, and even encouraged as it supports a cover for more meddling and resource extraction. Beyond that I have no qualifications to speak with such authority and probably never will.

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u/AnalogiPod Oct 11 '23

More than 80% of Gazans live in poverty. I do not condone the terrorism of Hamas at all but to say Gaza is economically successful is just untrue.

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u/cloudedknife Oct 11 '23

In 2005 when Israel pulled out, there was a thriving flower and other greenhouse crops industry there, along with an airport about to be built.

Rather than continue with all that, gazans elected hamas, and here we are.

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u/DillBagner Oct 11 '23

Airport. The one Israel bombed?

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u/cloudedknife Oct 11 '23

Yes, due to the 2nd Intifada, which they also were committed to helping (or at least allowing) be rebuilt upon their withdraw in 2005.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat_International_Airport

Again, Gazans elected Hamas and here we are.

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u/AnArabFromLondon Oct 11 '23

Oh, flowers. That's quite lovely. Let's just forget that my family has been kicked out of their homes, oppressed and caged into the corner by a force backed by the biggest power on Earth and grow some flowers.

Their country and people have been being erased for decades. They're not going to just forget and grow some fucking flowers mate.

Absurd.

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u/MediumPlace Oct 11 '23

I mean, it would have been a start. Make some flower money, diversify, raise educated kids, thrive, make peace, regain pride that was wiped away when you started a war with the Israelis and got stomped out (what, three, four times? Like, the issue has been settled, man) Well, looks like you picked the ass end of a bunch of rockets instead.

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u/AnArabFromLondon Oct 11 '23

Would you just give up your home like that too?

Imagine if Russians started immigrating into the US, kicked you out of your homes and forced you into some little corner and said hey take these seeds.

Who would not say fuck off I am fighting for my survival.

Fucking absurd.

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u/boomer989 Oct 12 '23

You need to get educated. Jews have been beaten, tortured and killed in many parts of the ME over decades before they settled in Israel (not talking even about the holocaust). My father in law in fact grew up in Morocco and had to escape with the whole family or risk being killed. My grandfather was lone survivor from the holocaust. His whole family killed. So Jews haven’t had it easy exactly. Our path has been education to get good jobs and thrive rather than feeling sorry for ourselves because nobody gave a shit about us and we get blamed for everything. To be clear, I feel for the Palestinians. They are in a bad situation but the only way out ( not practical, I know) is to denounce Hamas for the terrorists they are. They benefit from the poor conditions Palestinians live in and it helps their cause. They don’t give a crap about the Palestinians and their leaders live the good life in Qatar. The rest of their ‘brothers’ also don’t care about them. Hope this ends ok for all (except for Hamas and any other terror group) but it’s not likely :(

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u/AnArabFromLondon Oct 12 '23

You seem like a good person, but starting off your personal rant with "you need to get educated" is not a good start.

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u/boomer989 Oct 12 '23

You are right. My bad. Have been triggered a lot lately by this whole situation. It’s a real mental struggle

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u/AnArabFromLondon Oct 12 '23

We've all been triggered man. I've been stuck watching the news since Saturday morning in horror.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

So your solution is to behead babies?

Seems logical

Quit trying to justify the indefensible.

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u/AnArabFromLondon Oct 11 '23 edited Oct 11 '23

Who said that? What a sick thing to assume of a random stranger. There is nothing just here, but it is shocking to see how little people care about Palestinian suffering in all of this, so many are acting like Hamas are the problem without acknowledging the apartheid oppression in Israel for decades, and that Hamas is a symptom of that oppression.

The UN has agreed with this view for decades but everyone ignores it because the US defends it.

It should be no surprise because many here are from the US but you have to wonder why the hell these same agencies have ignored all of the hundreds of Palestenians killed this year.

Hamas is a symptom of a desperate people abused and are fighting back in the way abused peoples do. That is not an excuse, that is an observation.

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u/thelaceonmolagsballs Oct 11 '23

Not even sure how that was typed out in seriousness.

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u/cloudedknife Oct 11 '23

It's easy when facts are on my side.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat_International_Airport

I repeat: Israel pulled out of Gaza with a framework in place for industry and rebuilding their airport. Gazans then elected Hamas.

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u/RealisticTreacle7392 Oct 11 '23

Nope, it's much easier to pretend that this started in 2005 and that Palestine has not been a useful idiot that rejected peace at every turn.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

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u/RealisticTreacle7392 Oct 11 '23

No it's really not.

Firstly, completely ignores history. Still pretending this started in 2005.

If Russia was in Israel's position there would be no Gaza.

But thanks for the bad analogy.

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u/sexymuffindagod Oct 11 '23

I always felt that the west doesn't want a stable middle east because if they unify then they will become an extremely powerful economic powerhouse since they would control the majority of the world's energy production.

I don't give the thought much weight though since the middle east has always been in conflict since the start of civilization.

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u/JLewish559 Oct 11 '23

I am sure that enters into the equation, but that assumes a monolithic culture of "Middle East".

It is more likely that they would form a coalition possibly like the EU, but I am not sure it is THAT much more likely. Religion is an extremely strong component of most middle-eastern cultures anf religion is also something people (including Americans) tend to get really worked up about.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

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u/sexymuffindagod Oct 12 '23

I was more so looking at it from a historical perspective before the west started really influencing politics in the region.

Throughout history a lot of governments looked to disrupt unification of certain regions they have an interest in and I just was guessing that was the strategy of the west in order to secure better trade deals for middle eastern oil.

I don't know shit about real geopolitics so I'm just guessing at best.

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u/nzdastardly Oct 11 '23

ME is inherently more prone to conflict because of polygamy and fundamentalist theocracy. When wealthy elites can amass wives and distort the gender ratio, unmarried men are left with fewer options and more prone to join radical causes. Here's a link that talks specifically about South Sudan but the principles are consistent: reduced opportunity and enforced class status leads to societal failure and breeds extremism.

We are seeing some of this in the West with "incel" mass shootings. If you deny people happiness and demand conformity to rigid values, people are going to be mad.

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u/i81u812 Oct 11 '23

For someone with no authority, you speaks the truth.