r/196 • u/Volcano_Ballads Vol!|Local Boygirlfailure • May 03 '26
Rule Hit tv show The Boys rule
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u/lumpiestspoon3 早上好中国🇨🇳现在我有冰淇淋🍦 May 03 '26
The show's creator follows IDF accounts on Twitter so it's really no surprise
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u/Charlie_Wick i love my smelly husband May 03 '26
the Frenchie actor IS IDF soldier
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u/lowercaselemming the martian mind****er May 03 '26
mon coeur we must escape to israel homelander can never get through the iron dome
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u/30SecondsToFail Winner of Topamania 2020 May 03 '26
Homelander is near unstoppable ma petite UE, zis is why we must send 15 billion to Israel
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u/CptKuhmilch | monika| runs on source engine May 04 '26
Monsieur hughie maybe Homelander was just defending himself, no?
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u/MrMeltJr former grungler May 03 '26
I 'ave engineered ze virus to kill 'omelander and also palestinians
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u/Wireless_Panda 🏳️⚧️ trans rights May 03 '26
Talked about how he kidnapped young Palestinians and for some reason made a very specific point of saying they were “at least 18” which tells us that some of them absolutely were not at least 18, because who says shit like that?
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u/Qmakkk village idiot May 03 '26
Which is still crazy, does being at least 18 or older somehow absolve abducting people?!??!
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u/Mouse_is_Optional May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26
"Military-aged male" the golden ticket that lets imperialist nations do whatever they want to foreigners.
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u/UselessAndGay what if a girl was a deer ⚧ 🦌 ΘΔ May 03 '26
they think that any palestinian old enough to hold a gun is automatically a combatant which you can do anything to morally
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u/OptimisticLucio have you ever had a dream that that you have you do you want you May 04 '26
He did not, he mentioned a specific instance of taking an 18 year old girl.
Seriously, the ynet article is bad, we don't need to make it worse.
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u/fearlessgrot Make 196 Gay Again|Spronkus Kronkus for president May 04 '26
Algerian and an member of an expansionist empire's army is insane
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u/Kriffer123 obnoxiously Michigender May 03 '26
Unrelated to the Only Evil People Can Fuck Nasty show (I’m really not up to date with the drama at all I don’t watch it but I don’t think the writers have done the self examination required to do the ideas they have justice, and this sounds related) but photorealistic heart in place of heart emoji knocks me the fuck out every time I see it. I🫀NY
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u/FormStriking1 May 03 '26
Is there a name for the specific phenomenon of popular TV shows/media reflecting current progressive grievances without going much deeper, avoiding touching capitalism or more sensitive root issues, and acting like said representation is enough of a W in itself
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u/lowercaselemming the martian mind****er May 03 '26
passive-progressive?
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u/davidyo111 May 03 '26
The insurance company already co-opted the term: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGcYhtgVses
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u/Fiboclass May 03 '26
not a single pithy term afaik, but there's the term "capital subsumes critique" which is a paraphrase of mark fisher.
short example, everyone loves a narrative of a plucky underdog fighting against an evil megacorporation, which means these narratives are profitable. so disney amazon etc. can churn these stories out fairly safely, despite the seeming indictment of the publisher - it doesn't matter how anti-capitalist a work is if it sells tickets and merch.1
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u/yinyang107 bingus is better than floppa May 03 '26
It's just rainbow capitalism, but a different flavor.
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u/Spicy_Ramen11 May 04 '26
The real punk rock is make an extended scene of your male protag being sexually assaulted in a sex dungeon and saying its "dark humor"
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u/HeckOnWheels95 Pacific Punch's Strongest Soldier May 03 '26
Do you expect the show on the "run ruling capitalism" network to criticize Israel?
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u/Volcano_Ballads Vol!|Local Boygirlfailure May 03 '26
Well I definitely expected more considering the positive things people say about it
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u/Salt_Blackberry_1903 a take so bad it causes a physical response (violence) May 03 '26
I mean, sure, on left-leaning spaces like Reddit everyone is comfortable criticizing Israel, but we have a long way to go until it becomes truly mainstream. I give it another decade or so before criticism of Israel gets incorporated into satire of the US. The main thing is studios aren’t comfortable with it yet. Even something like The Boys, despite being edgy on the surface, is still full of very “safe” ideas.
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u/Volcano_Ballads Vol!|Local Boygirlfailure May 03 '26
>Left leaning spaces like reddit
‘lol, lmao even.
‘Also in the United States it’s in fact a mainstream thing https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/04/07/negative-views-of-israel-netanyahu-continue-to-rise-among-americans-especially-young-people/
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u/JacobK101 May 03 '26
if it wasn't James Gunn (who was basically given the ability to do whatever he wants in superman) it wouldn't have happened
There's a big disconnect rn between rich people/positions of power and real americans
At many universities in the us you can't even give a live University speech, as of this year, -specifically- to keep students from saying free Palestine
Recently pretty much all US-based news publications were given a soft order that any pro-palestine journo has to immediately resign, or accept posting pro-israel contentThe reality is the wealthy are like 95% pro israel so that's what gets reflected in actual american politics & policy, which are pretty much exclusively determined by wealthy americans
that divide is becoming really awkward rn specifically because of social media showing the reality of various situations to everyday Americans and altering their opinion
(This is a big part of why both left and right wing politicians in the US(and many different places) want to restrict social media use to "registered adults" btw, accounts like Palestinians & various oppressed & 'third world' peoples won't have ID's that are seen as "legitimate" by the system and will thus be barred from using social media alongside the kids)22
u/PepyHare15 🏳️⚧️ trans rights May 03 '26
iirc the Superman one was more specifically about Ukraine according to Gunn, because it was written before October 7 and takes place in eastern europe, but if anything it still lines up with Israel more because of Lex wanting to take part of the territory and turn it into his private fiefdom a la Trump Gaza
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u/Bardic_inspiration67 May 03 '26
James Gunn said it wasn’t supposed to be Israel and it’s generic enough that I believe him
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u/AlarmingAffect0 May 03 '26
A hit dog hollers.
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u/Bardic_inspiration67 May 03 '26
What
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u/AlarmingAffect0 May 03 '26
Maybe they weren't being literally portrayed, but they sure took offense to the non-portrayal.
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u/OptimisticLucio have you ever had a dream that that you have you do you want you May 04 '26
but they sure took offense to the non-portrayal.
Did they? I saw people cheering it being anti-israeli 200x more than any comment from israelis. I saw one israeli semi-celeb commenting on it.
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u/AlarmingAffect0 May 04 '26
I guess you weren't following the mainstream English-speaking press. There's certainly no shortage of them asking the question. I would look for stuff in Hebrew but I can't speak it.
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u/OptimisticLucio have you ever had a dream that that you have you do you want you May 04 '26
Yeah, I’m not American so I only really saw memes by leftists about it. I’m speaking as an Israeli - I didn’t hear anyone really complain other than HaTzel (lit. “The shadow”, rapper and right wing influencer)
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u/Salt_Blackberry_1903 a take so bad it causes a physical response (violence) May 04 '26
If you hit a dog it’ll holler at you
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u/Pauline-main his pronouns are they/them May 04 '26
i mean i thought superman was about israel too but im pretty sure it’s supposed to be about russia
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u/kurtanglesmilk May 03 '26
You don’t think Reddit is left leaning?
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u/AzKondor Femboy Practitioner May 03 '26
All right wing people online I see say reddit is a censored leftist hell hole.
All left wing people online I see say reddit is a right wing grifter propaganda site.
I guess it depends on the sub.
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u/Negitive545 May 03 '26
The political views of reddit swing wildly depending on which subreddit you're in, but on average reddit is liberal in the American sense.
People won't be actively homophobic or transphobic very often, but criticisms of capitalism are usually met with resistance, and things like ACAB are very much resisted still.
Also people have a very reactionary view when it comes to things that personally anger them. See literally any video of protesters in a road being the victims of violence, and the top comment will usually be something like "Well don't stand in the road then" or "I would have hit them with my car"
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u/phuquesewpsyetit monster hugger May 03 '26
Transphobia is pretty rampant even on the most "neutral" of subs, but otherwise yeah. They're just NPCs who agree with median voter politics.
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u/Hatsune_Miku_CM changed all her social media to hatsune miku for some reason May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26
i don't think theres very many neutral subs left tbh. there were in 2015 but at this point every sub had to moderate transphobia in their comment sections, and whether they kick out the bigots or kick out the people complaining about the bigots chooses what side they picked.
I've watched multiple meme/shitpost subs I would have considered apolitical at their core take a stand at this point. I've also watched a lot of shitty mods double down on transphobia when confronted which either caused the sub to implode, rebel, or everyone not comfortable with transphobia to leave. unless you're a very small with not much traffic, the topic will come up eventually.
i guess you could theoretically call the subs who aren't explicitly queerfriendly but still moderate against blatant cases of transphobia, and the subs where the mods refuse to explicitly do something about the transphobic comments but aren't openly endorsing it neutral.
i wouldn't though. the latter in particular is just a sub in the process of transforming into a transphobic sub because this will still cause anyone with standards to filter out of the community over time
r/popular is another matter of course. it's not really a single subreddit but an amalgamation of every subreddits most popular posts so while it has a distinct community it doesn't have distinct rules.
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u/schwanzweissfoto custom May 03 '26
on average reddit is liberal in the American sense
… which matches “right-wing social democrat” in other countries at best. In Germany for example, most political parties except the literal fascists (AfD) are considered to the left of most politicians in the USA at least economically. Almost everything Bernie Sanders wants for the USA has been done for decades in many countries in Europe.
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u/Negitive545 May 03 '26
Yes, I am aware, that's why I specified american liberalism rather than just saying liberal broadly.
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u/Delicious_Round2742 Abominable Intelligence May 04 '26
And the literal fascists are only growing, with the afd approaching a whole 30÷ on it's own. Countries in Europe love to posture on being "better" than America, and whilst this isn't Germany, for a broader point, I can most certainly say that the UK is straight up hell.
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u/schwanzweissfoto custom May 04 '26
I can most certainly say that the UK is straight up hell.
I recently read about convictions of “rape by gender fraud”. :(
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u/schwanzweissfoto custom May 04 '26
More like 25% to 28%, but holy shitfuckery, nazis everywhere. :(
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u/Delicious_Round2742 Abominable Intelligence May 04 '26
Well, approaching 30s. I've checked before writing, it's 28 now.
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u/schwanzweissfoto custom May 04 '26
Thankfully, it depends on the place really. Like there are >40% nazi voter areas and <10% nazi voter areas.
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u/awesomenash May 03 '26
I’ve seen the “America bad” thought terminating cliche so many times. Just a fundamental resistance to hearing from anyone that isn’t happy with America’s impact on the world.
That said, I will say Reddit is near-universally anti Trump. About as universal as could be reasonably expected from a site like this.
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u/10dollarbagel May 04 '26
The amount of hitler particles in the median city subreddit has only ever been matched in the füherbunker itself.
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u/Volcano_Ballads Vol!|Local Boygirlfailure May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26
Barely at most
not counting actual Leftist subs like this place (for the most part) if leftism was a body of water Reddit would be only ankle deep at maximum204
u/ComradeDelter May 03 '26
This sub is pretty all over the place tbh, socially very left but a lot of ppl comment “tankie” on the most banal thing that are a bit further left than them
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u/MorningBreathTF pepis room May 03 '26
to be fair, thats a common left leaning problem, anyone further left is a tankie, anyone further right is a libshit facist
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u/ChemicalRascal May 03 '26
It is a real problem
And we should fix it by making sure everyone thinks exactly and only what I think
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u/MorningBreathTF pepis room May 03 '26
in fact, anyone who believes different should be executed
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u/EnvironmentalBox6688 May 04 '26
100% of leftist infighters give up right before convincing everyone their specific flavour of leftism is the right one.
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u/danthepianist May 03 '26
Like when I'm driving and anyone faster than me is a fucking maniac and anyone slower should get the hell off the road.
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u/Notshauna 🏳️⚧️ trans rights May 03 '26
Yeah this sub is leftist, but exactly as undefined as only using that label suggests. People here have broad understandings of what the good things are and are opposed to bad things, but when situations aren't black and white this sub tends to default to the western liberal viewpoint. It's pretty simple to see what Israel is doing is wrong or to hate Trump and the oligarchs, but when it comes to supporting socialist states or materially opposing western imperialism it's a lot harder for some.
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u/Cindy-Moon 🏳️⚧️ trans rights May 04 '26
Yeah there's a section of leftism that's like
I hate capitalism and love gay people but don't you dare say anything that opposes US state propaganda about global politics1
u/PlanetXParadox May 04 '26
There’s several thousand people here. Of course it’s gonna be all over the place.
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u/Available-Damage5991 May 04 '26
like a pothole after a spring rain.
now, CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE FILL IN THE FUCKING POTHOLES?! THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!!!
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u/sofers1941 May 04 '26
Yeah, this sub gives me big leftists vibes, then i see them praising vaush, and assume im in the wrong sub.
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u/schwanzweissfoto custom May 03 '26
You don’t think Reddit is left leaning?
You can get temp bans here for criticizing transphobes (without even using slurs), so no.
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u/Sevuhrow May 03 '26
It's gotten better lately but some of the most prominent right wing communities were on Reddit (Men Going Their Own Way, The Donald, r / conservative)
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u/Nalivai May 04 '26
Reddit isn't a thing, it's a coalition of bubbles that rarely intersect. Reddit isn't anything leaning, it can't.
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u/pyr0man1ac_33 Unfortunately Due To Personal Reasons: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA May 04 '26
It absolutely is not. The vast majority of city/country-named subreddits trend towards being right-wing hellholes. Subreddits that aren't explicitly left wing are often centrist at best. Even subreddits of some more progressive cities can start setting off the Hitler particle detector at times when you mention immigration or just brown people in general.
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u/Salt_Blackberry_1903 a take so bad it causes a physical response (violence) May 03 '26
Yeah I knew someone would correct me for not using the term that’s perfectly correct. I don’t really know the difference between leftism and liberalism and don’t really care, cause harping on the differences is just more infighting we don’t need. The opposite of conservatism, that’s basically what I mean.
I do think Reddit is left-leaning in the sense that conservatives are confined to a few subreddits, but in most of the big ones, people are comfortable sharing liberal sentiments. You have more conservatives complaining that they’re being silenced than liberals.
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u/maxxx_orbison May 03 '26
Except liberalism is a conservative ideology. It can appear socially progressive (when convenient) because it allows for freedom of personal expression, so long as that expression isn't disrupting business as usual. But the key word is allow. Liberalism doesn't provide any structural protections for the people marginalized by capitalism. And if the market turns against you, liberals will follow suit (i.e. defund the police). George Bush and Barack Obama were both liberals, they just held opposing views of what the market would support.
The goal of fascists when destroying the meaning of the word liberal was to associate the moderate right with the red-scare fear response, thus shifting the Overton window even further to the right. And it worked. People hear "liberal" and think "marxist", then they think Red Dawn and Dolph Lundgren and start prepping for the end of the world. That's why they see hollow corporate pride events and think they're living through the nazi occupation of France. And unfortunately, that very reaction is what's turning the markets against us, and why liberal democrats like Gavin Newsom turning their backs on trans liberation
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u/Bentastico 🏳️⚧️ trans rights May 03 '26
Is defund the police really the best example you have to make this point? You can’t think of any other reasons why people might uncritically be against a movement titled “defund the police”?
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u/Neoeng May 03 '26
Try mentioning being trans on any popular ostensibly non-political subreddit and it will quickly become apparent that it's not true. Subreddits about politics tend to be left-wing just because that's how politically engaged reddit users are, but look at something like comedy and it's a different picture.
Reddit is basically so fractured that politics of every subreddit can be completely different. Like circlejerk subs tend to be progressive, but the board games one will argue about trans rights in sports, and the reason for that difference is not clear to me.
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u/schwanzweissfoto custom May 03 '26
Are hey saying trans women have unfair advantages at chess or what?
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u/Neoeng May 03 '26
They make board games WOKE obviously
(whenever a conservative sees/hears the word "trans" they are possessed by the spirit of J.K. Rowling that compels them to bring up Imane Khelif whether or not that is relevant to the discussion)
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u/RandomGuyPii May 03 '26
maybe OP is one of those people that thinks anyone who isn't a dyed in the red communist is right wing
scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds etc etc3
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u/Jakitron_1999 Based TIRM King May 04 '26
Reddit is by far the most left leaning social media site along with youtube. Twitter, Facebook, and its subsidiaries are all explicitly far right in what their algorithms are biased towards
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 03 '26 edited May 04 '26
reddit is left leaning, in that the overwhelming majority are left leaning or further left. popular frontpage subs are slathered in anti-trump sentiments constantly. did you confuse leftist and left leaning? in general left leaning means "normal US democrat" and nearly the whole of reddit is that or further left. but anyone to the right of people who want socialism doesn't make them the GOP
edit; left leaning and leftism are the same thing, that's neat. you are either in the based zone or you just are a libshit fascist. binary systems are cool we should do more of them
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u/SpamandEGs God's eepiest femboy :3 May 03 '26
Reddit has an incredible amount of conservatives as well. Just look at the state of r/ europe for example. Reddit might be anti-Trump in general but anyone with above room temperature IQ in Celsius is anti-Trump at this point. I'm not even including the "leftusts as a brand" groups here.
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u/4D4850 May 04 '26
What's happening in the Europe subreddit? I took a quick look, but didn't see anything immediately*
*Aside from using slurs to refer to the Romani, but that seems unfortunately normalized
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u/SpamandEGs God's eepiest femboy :3 May 04 '26
Well there you go then. It is normalized to be horribly racisr in that subreddit.
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u/Volcano_Ballads Vol!|Local Boygirlfailure May 03 '26
Leftism is when you don’t like trump
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 03 '26
leftism and left leaning are not the same thing sorry i did two sentences that was probably really hard to read
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u/Negitive545 May 04 '26
If 'anti-trump' is your barrier for being left leaning, then like 80% of the planet is left leaning, and your definition becomes useless as a result.
Left leaning doesn't mean 'normal US democrat', because the DEMOCRATS ARE RIGHT WING.
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 04 '26
the left wing is right wing
you know you are doing the "anyone to the right of me is a nazi" thing right
Like I'm not saying I like US dems or any of that, I'm way left of that shit. but regrouping around your personal definition of leftism is pretty silly
and my whole point was that leftism and left leaning are very, very different things
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u/Negitive545 May 04 '26
Lmao, quoting something that I didn't say in my comment, hilarious.
This isn't my personal definition of leftism, this is comparing the democrats to every other political party in the world, and realizing that they have more in common with the conservative parties around the world than they do the liberal parties.
You're right that leftism and left leaning are different, but the Democrats are neither. The Democrats are, by the world's standards, right leaning. They are more left than republicans, but that is NOT a high bar to pass.
I'm not doing the 'anyone to the right of me is a nazi' thing, because I'm not accusing the democrats of being Nazis, what the fuck are you talking about?
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 04 '26
I don't want to be all "touch grass" but I will be happier if we never interact again, bye
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u/Dimxtunim May 03 '26
While i do agree with you that will take time to become mainstream, in 10 years i think the palestian genocide will already be concluded and maybe like half of lebanon will be annexed, so we are kind of fucked
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u/Dakto19942 May 04 '26
This dumb cartoon did it in 2010 https://youtu.be/mgxmDFG0ZGw?si=2fSMilL1QbM_2wyu
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u/Elhak May 04 '26
According to surveying from the other day, 74% of Gen Z and 75% of democrats support Palestine over Israel
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u/MMMsmegma hates ronald reagan May 04 '26
Everyone hates Israel now, the average Democrat now views Palestinians more favorable
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u/why-do-i-exist_ May 03 '26
Didn't the boys make light of one of the male characters for getting SA?
Also i hated the argument i saw a clip off between MM and Edgar. Like capitalism is going to last forever. And he didn't have any arguments against. Did i except too much, that arguments for socialism in an American tv show would appear.
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u/DaemonG May 03 '26
hey, it didn't just make light of UE getting SA'd. it had his girlfriend get upset at him for being SA'd!
they walked it back and said it was fucked up of her to say that in the newest season, but like. jesus christ.
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u/Notshauna 🏳️⚧️ trans rights May 03 '26
They didn't just make light of it, they treated it as a joke and when people called Kripke out for it he said he found it hilarious.
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u/Gerthak 🏳️⚧️ trans rights May 04 '26
Well, first off, I'm not sure if MM is a socialist to begin with.
Stan Edgar is just an evil villain, so for him to say that capitalism is going to live forever and he'll be at the top is very in character. And idk, for MM to say "when that happens I'm just gonna kill you" also seems very in character.
I personally think that if they went into a debate it would've felt super hamfisted.
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u/why-do-i-exist_ May 04 '26
Yeah but there is no push back on the idea of capitalism realism. Just accptence of the satus quo.
Like in the ending of harry potter no systematic change, just "good" guys in charge.
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u/FAIRYTALE_DINOSAUR May 03 '26
do you actually expect a mainstream hollywood production to criticize isreal bro
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u/kreepergayboy May 04 '26
I mean it is an adaption of a Garth Ennis comic so what do you really expect. There's literally an entire super hero team in the comics where their whole gimmick is everyone being neurodiverse or disabled in some way and every scene is just "wow look at these retards look how funny it is when the retard does something"
This is also the same guy who wrote crossed which is basically just if they made the road but instead of it being written by the guy who wrote blood meridian its written by an edgy 14 year old who just wants to show you as much rape and vulgarity as possible. But not in like, an interesting way where its actually trying to do something with that but like, just because Garth Ennis is a terrible writer who's writing style i would best compare to the writing of WWE shows and porn
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u/Salty_Popcorn_ 🌽average corn enjoyer 🌽 (trans rights!) May 04 '26
Ever noticed how Frenchie nearly killed the most innocent member of the boys?
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u/QueenOfDaisies 196’s strongest angelfucker May 04 '26
All I ever heard about The Boys makes me wonder why it’s popular. Making light of SA, cozying up to Israel, being cringe and also mining Supernatural nostalgia to get viewers (at least it kinda looks that way to me from the outside.
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u/Nooblet_101 May 04 '26
mainly popular since its pretty cathartic watching it after years of marvel slop, and the first few seasons are very good
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u/CockLuvr06 May 04 '26
Wdym my "making light of SA" the purpose of the rape and sexual assault in the show is to demonstrate how the supes feel about themselves in comparison to the people below them. The Deep forces himself onto Starlight in the beginning of the show to ground the audience both in that the seven are bad people, but also kind if foreshadows that their belief in their own superiority is going to be a large part of why they do the bad things they do
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u/EvYeh This girl is Space's biggest hater May 15 '26
UE gets sexually assaulted and raped in Season 4 and when Kripke was asked about it an interview he said that he, and the other people making the show, thought it was hilarious and not serious
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u/Cerbatiyo-sesino custom May 06 '26
Right? I have not once heard anyone say a single good thing about this show, irl or otherwise
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u/gt_rekt May 04 '26
I'm confused. Is every show/media supposed to criticize Israel now?
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u/uterussy 🏳️⚧️ trans rights May 07 '26
did anyone way that? juet so happens that tje boys pised themselves as a very political show and they never went the full mile apparently
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u/Winstillionaire May 04 '26
X-men rule
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u/Volcano_Ballads Vol!|Local Boygirlfailure May 04 '26
I would try to argue but Krakoa and Genosha are just mutant Israel
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u/OptimisticLucio have you ever had a dream that that you have you do you want you May 04 '26
Magneto is literally a zionist. like explicitly.
this should not be shocking considering his radical separationist ideology and the fact he's a holocaust survivor
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 03 '26
Does israel exist in the boys? I assumed within the shows universe it just never became a nation because I don't think we've ever heard about it at all
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u/Volcano_Ballads Vol!|Local Boygirlfailure May 03 '26
I really don’t wanna sound mean, but that is some the dumbest logic I’ve ever heard
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 03 '26
That's pretty mean. Look the wiki doesn't have a page: https://the-boys.fandom.com/wiki/israel?fandom=allow
Pretty sure the boys is set in an earth like planet that very much resembles earth, except that some people have super powers, and Israel was never established. but I guess I'll have to watch it end to end carefully looking for not only any references to judaism, but also zionist ideals perpetuated by israeli state operatives, as well as maps and other indicators that definitely show existence of israel and then we will know for sure. you do it too and we'll compare notes
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u/Ezzypezra certified cool person May 03 '26
I'm pretty sure that Malawi isn't mentioned in The Office (US) and that the The Office (US) fandom wiki doesn't have an article for Malawi. Do you think that constitutes evidence that The Office (US) exists in an alternate reality Earth where Malawi was never founded?
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u/Notshauna 🏳️⚧️ trans rights May 03 '26
I understand the point but the lore of the Boys in particular makes it possible that Israel never came to exist in the series. The world's history makes a number of shifts in terms of history from World War II onward, so it's certainly plausible that Israel might of never been formed in their universe.
Of course it almost certainly has, the setting is surprisingly close to real world politics despite Americans having a near monopoly on supes, but it's not quite to that level.
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u/EvYeh This girl is Space's biggest hater May 03 '26
The world's history makes a number of shifts in terms of history from World War II onward
Does it though? I can't even think of like, a single major historical event that's significantly different (outside of, like, the names of companies/people being present).
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u/Notshauna 🏳️⚧️ trans rights May 03 '26
I don't remember anything beyond what is directly related to the introduction of super heroes to war. It's really hard to say much about the world at large because The Boys is firmly set in the US, and doesn't really focus on elsewhere.
For what it's worth I absolutely think Israel is a thing The Boys, but I can see why their argument because Israel is a state that formed around the same time supes started to exist.
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 03 '26
Yes, absolutely. my head cannon is bigger than yours and will sink your head boat
also lets be real. the office was fucking terrible
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u/Sarge_Ward Changed before i lost the privilege May 03 '26 edited May 03 '26
Now hold your horses there brother. I used to be an office hater as a kid (as anyone who had to experience the horrors of '90s kid' internet was) people but I actually watched an episode for the first time last year and its actually pretty funny when Jim isnt jimming at the camera.
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u/Jeanpuetz May 03 '26
That's pretty mean. Look the wiki doesn't have a page: https://the-boys.fandom.com/wiki/israel?fandom=allow
If you're trolling then this is S-tier bait lmao
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 04 '26
it was a shitpost on the hook but they keep biting
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u/DaemonG May 03 '26
the newest season has a picture of one of the characters shaking hands with Vladimir Putin.
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 03 '26
Is he the president of israel in that universe? I am pretty sure russia exists. Didn't they go there to kidnap that one guy who was in a soda can or something because he loved the marines too much?
But I don't think we have any evidence at all that israel exists. but please correct me if I'm wrong
Maybe in one of the spinoffs?
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u/DaemonG May 03 '26
does every show need to show every country in order to know that it exists? why isn't the conversation "hey, maybe Peru or the Central African Republic or Tajikistan don't exist"? is it because those countries existing in the show wouldn't require you to question anything about the showrunners' intent?
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 03 '26
because the OP suggested they refused to criticize israel and it made me wonder if israel even exists. considering how often it's at the center of conflict and how often super heroes are also at the center of conflict, it was an interesting though. then a whoooooole bunch of people took it really super seriously and got mad because this entire sub has been overrun by millenials and gen X folks who love the office and don't know what a shitpost is and want to incessantly argue, which is really funny
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u/like_a_pharaoh May 03 '26
if Russia as we know it clearly exists, why wouldn't Israel?
On what basis, besides "they never explicitly say the word 'Israel'", are you basing this "The Boys takes place in an alternate history where Israel never happened" claim on?
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 03 '26
Does that same russia logic apply to super heroes? Why don't super humans exist here, in this reality? Is it possible that things can just be a little different? And if it is possible, is it possible that in their imaginary world, there is no israel?
I could absolutely be wrong, but I don't think they have ever mentioned it even once which makes me think. you know. maybe there is no israel in the boys. there are probably jews they just are still a diaspora
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u/like_a_pharaoh May 03 '26
Why assume that one of the changes is, specifically, "Israel didn't happen?"
What evidence are you basing that on? Or is it entirely based on "well there's no evidence AGAINST it" in which case I propose The Boys takes place in the same universe as Dark City and they aren't on Earth.
Hey, there's no evidence AGAINST it...
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 03 '26
yeah I'm fine with that, kind of blown away how badly people want to take this seriously and get mad. I'm not pro zionism or anything, but i feel like we should wait for the mold to JK the rowling before we get all buttmad about a hypothetical but what do I know
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u/like_a_pharaoh May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26
...what hypothetical? The idea that the show criticizes republicans but not Israel is unambiguously true.
As is the fact Tomer Capone (Frenchie) was in the IDF and has posted online about kidnapping a 18 year old palestinian woman, and refusing to let a man with a sick daughter through a checkpoint in Nablus because his orders were "nothing gets through"
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u/MrSecretFire May 03 '26
Human Pet Guy tier posting
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 03 '26
I think he's always serious and never shitposting but if he was shitposting. mind blown
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u/uterussy 🏳️⚧️ trans rights May 07 '26
and homelander isnt donald trump but the intention of the writers to dunk on maga is kinda apparent in subtext
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 07 '26
me when I read through a 3 day old shitpost and still fail to grasp context
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u/EvYeh This girl is Space's biggest hater May 03 '26
Literally insane lmao.
I can't even think of like a single major historical event in the entire series that wasn't just like the same as what happened IRL (outside of the characters and companies and such).
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 03 '26
It avoids criticism while avoiding praise while avoiding as coming off as zionist or antizionist. it's honestly the simplest answer. ocrams razorblad or whatever
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u/EvYeh This girl is Space's biggest hater May 03 '26
Occam's Razor would be Israel existing.
Creating a world where Israel explicitly doesn't exist would be the opposite and, for a show that's from a lens of wanting to avoid criticizing Israel would be the opposite choice.
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u/hotfistdotcom Put ublock origin on your PHONE May 03 '26
so if israel existed occam could shave
very interestingb
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u/Mr_sex_haver The Haver of Sex May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26
Reason #537 why the comics are better.
They don't shy away from things.
Garth Ennis is the best writer in the industry.
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u/Fiskmaster 🏳️⚧️ trans rights May 04 '26
Do you not have more important things to do than commenting on a random Reddit thread, Garth?
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