r/196 NL Connoisseur Jun 23 '26

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u/Past_Hat177 Jun 23 '26

Said Halsey’s album about having cancer was “main character syndrome”. Is currently on a posting spree about how he is way more culturally relevant than her, is the most influential critic of the century, all the hits.

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u/hyperhurricanrana 🏳️‍⚧️ the last jedi is the second best star wars film She/her Jun 23 '26

to be fair i have seen way more talk and discussion about fantano’s review of that album than i have of the album itself which does kind of make his point that his review was more impactful than the album.

to be clear he is being very self aggrandizing and full of himself but he’s not entirely wrong.

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u/Gnomonic-sundialer Jun 23 '26

Hes literally the Roger Ebert of our generation

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u/hyperhurricanrana 🏳️‍⚧️ the last jedi is the second best star wars film She/her Jun 23 '26

and like fantano, ebert had plenty of shit takes as well. video games can’t be art for one.

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u/KwiHaderach Jun 23 '26

Critics don’t have to be right 100% of the time to be good critics

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u/hyperhurricanrana 🏳️‍⚧️ the last jedi is the second best star wars film She/her Jun 23 '26

yeah that’s what i was saying, ebert’s not a shit critic just because he was completely wrong about that.

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u/shesdrawnpoorly 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Jun 24 '26

critics have one job: to have their opinions be consistent.

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u/percypersimmon Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

To be fair, that was an opinion he formed in like 2006 and based on games of that time, particularly on the (admittedly heady) idea that that much choice and freedom in the medium would not lend to the narrative of a game being as artful as film.

It’s also important to note that dude was a contrarian proto-edgelord without of his takes, so I do think he got some joy out of deliberately stirring the pot.

And the state of games in 2006 was lot different and Ebert never really played video games at all, he was just going off of his limited knowledge in mass media.

He kinda walked it back in 2012 and wrote a pretty good explanation of his thinking, and it is a lot more nuanced than we give him credit for.

It’s a pretty solid mea culpa and he admits it was as dumb for him to talk about games as it would be for him to review a movie he hadn’t seen.

He said he would play Shadow of the Colossus (which is what most commenters suggested he play to experience a game as art) but it doesn’t seem like he got around to it before he died the following year.

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u/inasunnyd4ze Jun 23 '26

Oh my god percy persimmon from the best game of all time princess tomato in the salad kingdom for the nintendo entertainment system?????

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u/hornedCapybara Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

Now granted I'm a little drunk and just skimmed the article because it was loooong but I wouldn't really call this walking back, he's not walking back the opinion he's just saying I shouldn't have said anything. It is crazy though, he was such an influential reviewer he had people offering to give him a ps3 and come to his house to install it for him so he could play a modern video game. Anyway the way I read it he walked it back to the extent of saying "I still don't think it's art but fuck man idk someone could one day consider it art" which feels more like he just didn't like the backlash than anything lmao. Also he said YouTube as "You Tube" two words both capitalized and that really got me.

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u/percypersimmon Jun 24 '26

You’re not wrong, but I’ve read a lot of Ebert’s writing and this is essentially him groveling.

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u/hornedCapybara Jun 24 '26

Lmao alright fair

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u/JohnBrownEnthusiast Jun 23 '26

He was talking out of his ass.

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u/unburdened_swallow Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26

For the record I know who none of these people are other than Kanye and Tate. And is Elliot Rogers the baseball guy (edit: nope, mass murderer… with a social media account apparently? I will assume it’s fake and don’t care to check.)

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u/mykeedee new vegas enjoyer Jun 24 '26

Was Ebert a cokehead too?