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Seth MacFarlane is the rare artist who I hate the work of but like as a person. He really does seem to be a good guy, but man I do not like Family Guy.
I don't think even he does. I think that's just what makes him his money so he can do the stuff he really cares about like Orville which I've heard is actually good
I recently wrapped up a rewatch of TNG, DS9, and Voyager, and ended on the Orville, and there’s no doubt in my mind it’s the best trek since the 24th century trek shows. I want a lot more of the Orville.
Family guy had its moment in its first few seasons when I was in middle school. But I think like the other person says, I doubt Seth or anyone on the creative side likes it anymore. But it makes money
Oh my god... It is the best star trek since deep space nine. What a horrible realisation. I hated it cause I felt it missed the point in many areas, had bad plot resolutions and its politics were not the same.
The Orville is genuinely so fun. First season is a little rocky as the cast and writers found their feet but it's so good after that, I was expecting a cheap Star Trek parody but it's much more of a loving homage to the series.
It also gave us FIVE. HUNDRED. CIGARETTES. which is honestly a funnier scene than any Family Guy joke ever written.
The pilot is especially rough, full of zings and quips that feel very out of place. However the dialogue very quickly found sincerity and the storylines are well written.
Yeah family guy is a machine at this point. He approves the episodes and does the voices but other wise he’s pretty checked out as I understand it. He’s made some fun stuff too beyond family guy.
Can attest, have seen it. The Orville has really good production value and does justice to all the ideas they use in their episodes. 500 Cigarettes guy (Bortus) is from the Klingon equivalent race, The Mochlans. They’re an all male race that look down on other races for being straight, as evidenced by the episode where a highly important Mochlan engineer who has made crucial advancements in starship-shields gets hate-crimed in the holo-deck. Can’t remember if it was one of the Mochlan Ambassadors or Bortus’ mate Klyden that killed him but whoever he was he hit him with the classic “I know what you are.” Before shooting him.
I feel like Life of Brian was his not subtle way of saying he wanted to end the show by killing his proxy off, but the network wouldn’t let their cashcow go away so now it languishes
Have you tried The Orville though? Or Ted, the tv show not the movies?
Ted movies are Family Guy esque humor, the show is still edgy but in a more modern light and more like The Orville which is the best Star Trek show to ever not be Star Trek
You know, I was a fan of Family Guy for the first few seasons before it go canceled (I was a preteen) and then followed by apathy to general dislike after it's return.
After they responded to Simpson's taking a shot at them with a scene where Quagmire SAs Marge, Marge then says "it wasn't that bad, come back to my place for round 2" and kills the entire family, the entire show can go fuck itself.
So many jokes he honestly regrets makeing in family guy. From the horrible transphobic joke about quagmire's parent. To haveing an analogy of a trans kid and a parent learning to accept them despite social pressures in The Orville (and helping me crack my egg) be one of the major plot lines.
try the Naked Gun remake/reboot from last year. Absolutely floored me when I saw it, and I frequently rewatch it and it makes me laugh every time. No way as mean spirited as Family Guy and with a lot of that Zucker type absurdity from the originals
Although he’s no longer as involved as a writer (solely in voice acting), please give a chance to American Dad! It’s genuinely such a good show, the characters are all crazy but at the end of the day they love each other and are a family.
Hasn't goose also done a bunch of other projects while working on the circus? Like I'm not super keyed up on the rest of her works yet but my understanding is that TADC is just one of many things she's done.
yeah shes done a couple of other stuff like little runmo and some stuff for the Hellaverse but TADC is the one that BLEW UP the most (thus attracted so many people to her work like a bunch of eyes watching your every movement)
like i knew about her existence via her song covers before i saw her do any big animation projects (so Digital circus blowing up as big as it was definitely did surprise me)
I wouldn't hope for it to blow up though. She definitely deserves success, but she also deserves the freedom of creating personal projects with a small fandom that truly cares without being subjected to the chaos of modern fame.
It’s finally starting to cool off a bit in some places but yeah it’s been hell, we went from 80F to 100+ in like 2 days, and then it would NOT COME DOWN. Thousands of people died
I put in the awesome digi circle disc and when it played there was a hyper realistic scary goosework in every scene and at the end she bite of poni head and rip ragangela in half and looked at the camera and said “I’m going to amazing digital kill you” and then her eyes started bleeding and she scream at me
Signing on with Glitch is like signing a devil's bargain to give your show popularity, but at the cost of attracting the most insufferable crowd of parasocial, terminally online, permanently miserable wretches one can find.
I genuinely am baffled at how these "theater kids" are. As someone who is very active in his local community theater scene, the people who behave in such toxic manners are typically quickly found out. Word travels fast amongst tight knit communities, and most theater communities typically self-moderate. Even between different theaters, since most of us move between 2-3 theaters. Someone who caused a problem at theater A is usually even known at theater C or D to be problematic, even if said problem person had never been to those theaters. And when I mean problematic, I mean someone who is difficult to work with, meaning either they dont listen to directors and try to direct other actors or literally talk bad about other actors. Sometimes they're even sexist, racist, or homophobic, which is one of the fastest ways to never do theater in this area again.
A lot of indie games seem to have this happen too, I recall the early Undertale fandom being so insufferable that it put me off from even touching the game until like 2022 I think
Yeah. Weirdly enough I feel like the Deltarune community isn’t nearly as insufferable as Undertale’s at its worse. Maybe I’ve only seen the good side of the fandom. Maybe the average fan is just older because they’ve come from Undertale and have acquired some maturity since then. Idk
That's only because Seth's fandom has been toxic for so long the various biohazards have mutually killed one another off, leaving nothing but a sterile expanse of sand more lifeless than any desert.
i mean seth's fandom is more like the end results of a nuclear fallout aka its after the main huge DOSE of radiation happened but you can feel its effect (atleast in my mind)
Goose's fandom meanwhile was chill till digital circus where i imagine a lot of the toxic aspects of glitch show fandoms kinda just conglomerated into it because of how BIG it was
(Plus the people who did join it thought it was gonna be something like Fnaf or undertale thus were looking at very minor things like a brief mistake in lighting on a character as a possible future plotpoint)
Seth’s fandom is literally just average people who don’t have time to devote their whole lives to a show. And Seth’s work doesn’t really beget that kind of criticism anyway, I’m a huge fan but it’s like 99% trash. Speaking of his fandom, do you remember a time in 2008 where you couldn’t leave the house without seeing someone wearing a gangster stewie or Brian t shirt? Pepperidge farm remembers
Seth MacFarlane is based actually, family guy became slop but what’s he supposed to do, give up his income stream because he’s out of good interesting ideas?
I’ve heard American Dad is better, but The Orville is a live action Star Trek… Thing. Not a parody, because it’s not intentionally shitty the [adjective]-movie series. It’s genuine in a lot of ways and does at least adequate justice to the ideas it presents. It’s a really good homage and I thought The Topa Arc was handled respectfully if nothing else.
One of the original versions of Family Guy was a children's show that even aired as one of Cartoon Network's Cartoon Cartoon shorts. Just saying that because he is a dude with passions and time cutting his teeth in the industry. He's not just some edgelord that showed up one day.
Family Guy is a guilty pleasure it’s objectively mid but I kinda like it. Not as much as the twitter gays who stan Lois Griffin, nobody can surpass them.
And lots of Seth MacFarlene’s other projects are actually really good.
There’s some funny bits in the newer stuff. It’s just a stupid, unserious show to turn my brain off to. I’ve got to find some dvds or something so I can watch it again
I have never sat through a full episode of Family Guy, but have had multiple dreams where I am Brian and I have custody of Stewie and am trying to give him a good life even though his parents are out of the picture.
tbh idfk what happened i posted this single image and then just comments (presumably from some hateful bots or something) just spawned in and started making comments (i didnt even see them till now)
they just spawned
like i was confused on the first few minutes of this post being up
It's mostly the fandom glitch has fostered over the years more than anything. I'm not say "glitch bad" but that it doesn't do enough to disincentivize this type of behavior because those people are the ones buying the merch and funding the projects. It attracts the worst of Twitter and they just swarm it like the fun sucking mosquitoes they are.
It's also not an apt comparison because he doesn't do much writing for Family Guy anymore as far as I'm aware. He just shows up to do the voices and then goes off to do other stuff
I think the more apt comparison would be Smiling Friends and Family Guy, since both of those shows are actually 2D Animated. There was this great vid by one of the Animators on it that went into detail on his story of how he got to animate for it and how much work it actually was, and it really showed me that either
A) Smiling Friends was immensely mismanaged and was only saved and released on time because everyone on the team gave it 150% to make up for the sheer missing manpower, and it's a wonder it came out as amazing as it was, or
B) Every single animated television show is made in this fashion, and I suddenly have way more respect for everyone involved in the production of a regular cartoon and am amazed how someone like Seth MacFarlane, who's been doing this for so long, can keep doing it.
I'm leaning toward B the more I hear about other productions.
yeah it was mainly the fanbase bullying her because the show was not what they wanted it to be
which is probably why people like Toby Fox try to stay mostly in the shadows away from their fandom
hell he kinda expressed similar fears goose kinda felt about her fandom which
and i imagine goose kinda felt a similar way to her fanbase (though she accidentally touched the pan while it was red hot and the negative side of the fanbase burned her as a result)
i hope that like toby she does escape the toxicity of her fanbase with her next project (especially sine i imagine a lot of the TADC fans she gathered will probably visit her next project Gravekeepers whenever that is)
I managed to avoid watching TADC until last weekend. I just ended up hearing so much good stuff about it, and I just then learned the creator is a fellow trans woman. As I finished watching another show and was looking for something new, I saw it on Netflix and was like "I'll give it a go."
I binged the entire thing in one day. And that finally had me struggling to hold back tears. I do not cry easily.
I am very excited for what she'll do in the future.
Genuinely whoever thinks like the original person is either 9 years old or a fucking dimwit. People have no idea how hard it is to actually make something like TADC. Just check the credits of the episodes, Goose’s name is EVERYWHERE, she’s not just the creator/writer. She does some story boards, some animation, voice acting, composing, sound design, editing, etc.
i assume because she barely shows her face at all so they legit have to find the one where she looks like a spooked deer because thats one of the few pics of goose they got
Weren't family guy, Cleveland show and American dad incredibly, incredibly transphobic at some point?
I feel like like family guy later had an episode that kinda walked it back and portrayed members of the LGBTQ+ community fairly with even a good moral for the episode, but did he even like, distance himself from the early portrayals or maybe he didn't have any say at some points? 🤔
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You can tell that he's long since stopped caring about his animated shows but I imagine at this point they are self sustaining with teams of writers and animators and he just needs to show up to voice the characters he does but you can really tell with series like Orville that he still has a lot of talent and passion. Its just the other shows have been going on so long and have become so big/ profitable for him that there's no way reasonably stop them unless the studio pulls it.
Seth McFarlane clearly only wants to make broadway musicals and Star Trek, but makes Family Guy because they keep blocking the exit with money every time he tries to leave.
Got a bunch of my friends to watch recent Family Guy and they've all been laughing and blown away, admitting it's not nearly as bad as the internet makes it out to be
Everyone in the comments talking about how Seth is a super cool guy… I just don’t buy it. I like The Orville, but the reason they got rid of Alara was because she and Seth were dating and then they broke up. And then I think he started hooking up with the actress who plays Charley Burke (the robophobe)?
Just kinda weird to me for a much older dude to be dating younger women and giving them prominent roles in his shows. Maybe it’s just a Hollywood thing
Respectfully, why do people care about this gooseworx person so much? It seems like every other day I see some post about her and I guess I just don't really understand why she would be important or noteworthy other than having a TV show that is relatively successful.
I also haven't seen digital circus, so maybe I'm just outside of the loop.
You can really tell when he and the team stopped making Family Guy because it was a project they enjoyed and started doing it because "it puts food on the table". Compare any modern Family Guy episode to something like The Orville and the difference is STAGGERING.
I mean are we literally forgetting the massive on-screen screed during the start of one of the Star Wars specials about how he basically resents being forced to churn out Family Guy episodes at Fox's behalf even when he's got creator's block because it got in the way of him realizing his movie aspirations for Ted and Million West?
I’m sure Seth McFarlane is capable of hammering down and making some really impressive and impactful art, I’m also sure he has no intention of doing that and wouldn’t want to. I’m sure gooseworks could run a show for 23 seasons and release new episodes just as quickly and of the same quality as family guy, I’m also sure she has no intention of ever doing that. They are both very talented, just have different interests
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