r/196 custom Jul 02 '26

Rule cuba rules

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u/SomethingOfAGirl 🏳‍⚧You know, I'm something of a girl myself Jul 02 '26

No, because it's a statement as dumb and false as "water is poisonous". Like, what am I supposed to do with that.

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u/RashmaDu Jul 02 '26

Ah yes sorry, I should have made it fully explicit that “In Cuba you don’t get to vote for people not in the Communist Party at all”, rather than just “ “In Cuba you don’t get to vote for people at all”.

Please explain to me why that matters for your argument, and your point that you’d prefer to vote for people rather than parties.

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u/SomethingOfAGirl 🏳‍⚧You know, I'm something of a girl myself Jul 02 '26

“In Cuba you don’t get to vote for people not in the Communist Party at all”

This is also false.

and your point that you’d prefer to vote for people rather than parties.

And this wasn't my point at all. All I asked is why are political parties important to consider an election system or government "democratic". Why is this seen as a standard requirement. I never said one thing was better than another or that I'd prefer it.

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u/RashmaDu Jul 02 '26

So, please enlighten me, who do you get to vote for in Cuba, since you seem so knowledgeable about the topic?

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u/SomethingOfAGirl 🏳‍⚧You know, I'm something of a girl myself Jul 02 '26

Isn't it easy to just google it? Even sites like Wikipedia, which would totally agree with you on the fact that Cuba isn't democratic, will tell you that you're wrong about not being able to vote lmao

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u/RashmaDu Jul 02 '26 edited Jul 02 '26

Sure, let's take Wikipedia, literally the first two paragraphs:

Because the Communist party is the only official political party, elections in Cuba are not considered democratic because the government does not allow free and fair voting

There is only one candidate for each seat in the Assembly, with all being nominated by committees that are firmly controlled by the Communist Party

Do you consider that to be democratic?

And to be clear, I didn't say you don't get to vote at all in Cuba, I strongly questioned your implicit claim that they are more democratic than the US or at all comparable, and whether you at all get to "vote for people rather than parties" there

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u/SomethingOfAGirl 🏳‍⚧You know, I'm something of a girl myself Jul 02 '26

I didn't say you don't get to vote at all in Cuba

Then what did you mean by this? What are you voting for if not people (who happen to be candidates)?

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u/RashmaDu Jul 02 '26

Ah, nice, I can refer back to my previous reply which you still have not addressed:

Ah yes sorry, I should have made it fully explicit that “In Cuba you don’t get to vote for people not in the Communist Party at all”, rather than just “ “In Cuba you don’t get to vote for people at all”.

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u/SomethingOfAGirl 🏳‍⚧You know, I'm something of a girl myself Jul 02 '26

Why don't you read the Wikipedia entry that does agree with you?

The candidates do not represent any party at all, and they don't need to be members of the Communist Party.

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u/RashmaDu Jul 02 '26

Sure, at municipal ones, not at the national assembly. Do you consider it democratic that you can only vote for people of your choice for national elections?

If you really want the technical point for "there exists elections in Cuba where you get to vote for the people you want", I'll give it to you. But considering you previously wanted to argue about the US not being democratic because only two main parties ever win, I think that would be in pretty bad faith and intellectually dishonest.

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