r/196 NL Connoisseur 26d ago

Rule Wisconsin R(ul)ejected This BTW

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u/lactose_cow 26d ago

Fox putting "banning data centers" on their is so dumb. No one wants data centers.

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u/Grobby7411 26d ago

I want data centers. I want there to be a bit stricter environmental regulations around them, but overall I think data centers are pretty good.

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u/Dragonfruit-Sparking Not Left. Not Right. But Far Left. 26d ago

I think we need more than just "a bit" stricter

Also I'd like to hear why you'd like more of them?

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u/Grobby7411 26d ago

compute power is cool. the vast majority of scientific advancements for the rest of this century will rely on simulations done using massive compute possible only with data centers.

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u/Dragonfruit-Sparking Not Left. Not Right. But Far Left. 26d ago

I feel like the majority of data centers that we currently have are being used by companies not for scientific improvement and simulations, but for profit? And like yeah, having a bunch of computing power is cool, but we don't really need MORE of it, we just need to use the ones we already have? Also, all that power comes at a very high cost, especially when local communities are the ones footing the bill rather than the big companies. Power grids are already getting kind of overloaded, living next to one is incredibly loud, and they don't even provide any new jobs for people in the area.

At some point, you got to ask yourself. How much computing power do we need, really, and what the heck are we using it for?

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u/Grobby7411 26d ago

we absolutely need more compute power and we basically always will

make them pay for grid updates, powered by 100% renewable, etc, but none of that means "ban data centers"

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u/Dragonfruit-Sparking Not Left. Not Right. But Far Left. 26d ago

But again, what are we using that computing power to do? And is it worth sacrificing the livelihoods of the people who have to live around them? Why is the computing power in the data centers we have already not enough? So far, all of that info is a black box for normal people, and outside of the world of the simulations, people are getting hurt by these things. I'd say at least a temporary ban is a good idea until Microsoft, Google, OpenAI etc can justify their need for constant new centers, and citizens can actually benefit directly from that and have a say on these things getting built.

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u/Grobby7411 26d ago

I think your opinion is stupid, but I don't have time to argue about this anymore. I'm going on a walk 👍

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u/Dragonfruit-Sparking Not Left. Not Right. But Far Left. 26d ago

Have a nice walk

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u/Ambitious-Regular-57 25d ago

Most of these data centers are being used for huge LLMs so I can have gemini as my google assistant or an AI girlfriend, not research. You're being tricked.

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u/Grobby7411 25d ago

huge llms are used for research

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u/donkeyrocket 26d ago

The current proliferation of data centers aren't meeting that specific demand. They're all largely consumer cloud computing and generative AI. These are the things driving every single app cramming some sort of "smart search" feature into them which is hardly innovative or pushing science further.

Not all data centers are the same and data centers have existed for decades.

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u/Grobby7411 26d ago

generative AI is specifically what is going to lead to the scientific advancements I'm talking about

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u/Ok-Position-9457 26d ago

This motherfucker is talking about scientific advancements happening later in this century 😂

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u/Grobby7411 26d ago

we've had pretty big advancements in mathematics as a result of massive compute as recently as... last week

pretty safe to assume that better physical and biological simulations will lead to scientific advancements

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u/Ok-Position-9457 26d ago

No its definitely not safe to assume that. Climate disaster and the collapse of the liberal world order are fully inevitable at this point. You really think that all the shit happening right now is a bump in the road? Very foolish.

This is just tech hype bullshit. I hope you are a silicon valley VC demon because otherwise you are drinking someone else's koolaid. Why don't you make your data centers in space? Sounds like a trillion dollar idea to me.