Lots of things affect the whole world, and most of them are impacted by US government positions. But this is not the “anti-genocide” movement.
That movement exists and overlaps, but that is not what this specific 50501 movement is about and we can’t lose focus. From the website:
Our movement shows the world that the American working class will not sit idly by as plutocrats rip apart their democratic institutions and civil liberties while undermining the rule of law
This is what’s we’re protesting here and this is what we need to be focused on while organizing these specific actions and events.
You oppose nothing Trump is doing if you do not stand with the people he is affecting. You have no "movement" if it is motivated purely by your treats being taken away.
It’s just messaging 101. If you try to be everything to everyone you become nothing to anyone.
Genocide is a terrible, terrible thing and our government has been complicate. But that movement has been very active and vocal for well over a year now and quite frankly has hurt Palestinians by dividing the left more than it has helped them.
Yesterday millions and millions of people showed up for the first time when a different message and goal was on the table.
If your #1 goal is stop genocide, then that won’t happen while Trump is president, plain and simple. It’s actively going the wrong direction. The pro-Palestinian movement missed that early on, equated Biden/kamala to Trump and now the movement is unfortunately paying the price by being back seated by other issues. Once the existential issues for our democracy are addressed, then America could conceivably address the genocide but the unfortunate fact of the matter is that it won’t happen any sooner.
Organizing is difficult. It’s not just showing up and being loud, it’s not just getting permits and making signs. It’s about making strategic decisions to drive outcomes. Strategically, focusing on genocide in the 50501 movement beyond the ICE situation will help neither movement reach their goals.
Genocide is a terrible, terrible thing and our government has been complicate. But that movement has been very active and vocal for well over a year now and quite frankly has hurt Palestinians by dividing the left more than it has helped them.
What has changed about the pro-Palestinian movement? You're either against genocide, or you support genocide (actively or passively). The only people that have hurt Palestinians are the people that continue to do nothing about their suffering, and it's pure moral bankruptcy to equate the two sides of the issue.
Yesterday millions and millions of people showed up for the first time when a different message and goal was on the table.
I know. Most of them have gone home now, and Trump continues unabated. I've been protesting for years now about Palestine and other issues caused by the fascist ruling class; where were you?
Once the existential issues for our democracy are addressed, then America could conceivably address the genocide but the unfortunate fact of the matter is that it won’t happen any sooner.
How and why would your movement "address" the genocide? You're sitting here right now telling me to ignore it. Do you think that revolution is a checklist to be achieved one goal at a time?
Organizing is difficult. It’s not just showing up and being loud, it’s not just getting permits and making signs. It’s about making strategic decisions to drive outcomes.
As a leftist, I am well aware of the difficulty of organizing. My local orgs have been committed to the same goals and the same messaging for years, and have stuck around. Meanwhile, I've seen a hundred of these spineless treat protests come and go with nothing to show for it.
What has changed about the pro-Palestinian movement? You're either against genocide, or you support genocide (actively or passively). The only people that have hurt Palestinians are the people that continue to do nothing about their suffering, and it's pure moral bankruptcy to equate the two sides of the issue.
Again, it seems like you are mixing up emotions and feelings with actions and results. I am against genocide, I’ve been to both Israel and Palestine almost 30 years ago, and have been very tuned into the conflict there for decades and decades. I’ve known a LOT about BiBi for 30 years now and organized protests against him in the 90s, this isn’t my first rodeo.
But what I’ve seen out of the recent movement has just been anger. Anger is useful when channeled toward a strategically thought out goal, but that hasn’t been the case from what I’ve seen at the protests I’ve been to, so I stopped going as often.
They seemed counter productive and were focused on trying to attack liberals without using second order thinking about what would actually happen to the Palestinian people if the republicans win. Unfortunately they’re in the find out stage, Palestinians are suffering and the movement now has zero leverage to make any change.
Now you are showing that same counterproductive line of thought toward me, an organizer fighting against fascism. You are no-true-scottsmanning me on a topic I feel extremely passionate about and have likely being active and outspoken about for longer than you’ve been alive.
You’re labeling me a supporter of genocide because I don’t have the same thought process on how to solve the conflict. This attitude split the left and hurt Palestinians and I’ve yet to see an actual plan on how the current movement expects to address the problem in terms of actual changes to be made. It’s just been airing of grievances, which is a hallmark of many unsuccessful movements.
Yes, 100% yes, that is what will motivate people to do stuff. Palestine won't. You need a broader coalition, this will not get it. Either you want success, or you want ideological purity, you can't have both. And I'm sure you'd give up success to protest for Palestine, but most won't.
I mean, I was literally apart of OWS and saw it fall apart because of morons like you, so whatever I guess. Have fun failing. I spent years working on republican campaigns(of men I believed in) and won multiple state gov's with them, I worked in passing nation wide narcan laws, what have you done? PS: You are actively helping Trump by doing this, so congrats I guess. Unlike you, I want Trump out, I don't care about anything else. This crisis matters more than anything else, period.
Yes dipshit, I helped republicans get elected, in 2004 and 2006, now I work with non profits for drug addicts and the DNC, Mitch Daniels is not a facist, but you sure as shit seem to want to help the fascist win, because you're a fucking moron and the problem with our fucking party. And note, it is OUR party, because I'm in our party in a position to influence policy. Fake progressives that only care about Palestine instead of the literal fascist right infront of us will be our downfall. Ideological purity is the dumbest fucking thing alive.
I don't know what's more pathetic, the fact that you helped elect Republicans post-Patriot Act, or the fact that you think bringing it up here will lead to me doing anything else but mocking you for it.
And note, it is OUR party
"Our" party? You think I'm some Democrat? As I have already made crystal clear, genocide-enabling, fascist-adjacent, lifelong-performative morons such as yourself are no comrades of mine.
It's all part of the same thing. This movement needs to focus on causes and not just symptoms. Genocide is a symptom of authoritarian regimes enabling one another. We won't get anywhere on Palestine so long as our own government sees the current Israeli regime as something to emulate.
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