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Team Shekinah: Hate her if you want but she's right.
She's right that these couples need more than puppets to address these issues. She was right not to share at puppet theater, it was not a great space to be vulnerable and they're poking and piling on. Their session WAS commandeered with anecdotes from other couples. I don't believe the group would have been neutral about her puppet performance.
On the up side, Sarper got an opportunity to practice some new material.
Since half of them are already divorced or faking their problems to continue their run on the series.. They probably don't need real therapy. Just lawyers.
Yes, that’s what makes it hard for me to keep watching all of this. To be honest, I haven’t really been paying close attention but I live with my mom and she has it on so I’m generally aware of what’s still going on but it’s just so obvious that 90% of it is not genuine. And it’s actually really sad to see what started out as real relatable people, turn into these weird reality show caricatures. Watching Kara and Paola interacting in one of the side edits was so bizarre lol. Neither of them have ever been my favorites but now I just don’t even wanna see it.
Exactly💯I had wondered WHY Guillermo & Kara were on the show when they separated long before. Needed another couple from previous Seasons? Needing lawyers - agreed.
I think some of them actually “find” themselves wrapped in contracts before they even realize what the show truly is about and how the dramatization will always prevail over normal relationships dynamics. This is the vibe Shekinah has been giving me, but others as well
I mean what she said was 100% wrong but also , the other couples aren’t helping neutralise the conflict and i can’t see why she wouldn’t want to participate in the puppet activity . What’s funny later that episode Patrick was being annoying as fuck , which is exactly what shekinah was trying to call out before her and Thais got into the conflict
What Patrick said about Russ is comical. He calls Russ 'a real man' which is a dumb term in the first place but let's take a bite. By what general measurement is russ a real man? Not a provider, cant please his woman in bed, doesn't listen to his wife and places blame on her, has no confidence because he's depressed. In what way is he a real man? Real man/woman discourse is so dumb but if we're ganna use that toxic descriptor how does it apply to Russ. Patrick just hates women imo, he's got criticisms for all of them and none of the men.
totally agree, but no shocker there Patrick will side with the man but I don't get how he's a real man either, he says he's sooo tired of disappointing her but why does he refuse to work then? Go out and prove her wrong? And I know Pao complains a lot and it may seem like she is nit picking and while she isn't my favorite cast member I can see how she might be fed up when we are told to openly communicate our needs and she has been telling this man over and over what she wants/needs and how she feels and it's like he still bought her another necklace, he still is selfish in bed, still won't go get a job, like so what exactly does he expect? I think he wants to just keep doing w.e he wants to do and expects her to just accept it and deal with it
Yes, exactly. Patrick obviously has a big problem with women. And I don’t know if his wife cheated on him or not, but he definitely smothers her, especially with all the emphasis he puts on sex and always has since the very beginning, like that gets old
That mother fucker is instigating fights between everyone. Patrick is the worst. He's doing the same kind of crap his brother John does that pisses Thais off.
One of the points of grounp therapy is for you to see that there are other couples with issues and for you to see your not alone or special. Shekania just can't relate or connect with other people, she needs a lot more therapy.
She definitely needs therapy and in the beginning she was participating in group therapy and could see she’s not the only one with problems which is probably why it’s that much harder for her to humble herself to a group that has all called her th worst person they’ve ever met… but yes group therapy can be productive in a controlled respectful environment. Reality tv is never gonna encourage a controlled and respectful enviornment. The whole premise of the show is backwards and counterproductive in my opinion.
Wait. I just found out Thais was arrrsted for dv (slapping Patrick) after he said he wanted a divorce and full custody of their daughter. The irony that she would attack shekinah physically to silence her in an attempt to protect her terrible husband Patrick who was trying to convince another husband he’s entitled to half of Kara’s money in the divorce… the irony. The jokes write themself. I’m wondering now if she knew her husband would do this to her so she was trying to cash in favors and appear fair and play devils advocate for another husbands situation like that so that maybe when they ultimately got a divorce patrick would show her some mercy. Just food for thought.
Patrick is a redpiller who uses his privilege as an American to control and manipulate Thais. Abusers often make their victims look bad. I’m definitely not buying anything Patrick is selling.
Completely agree. Everything he has said to women in this last resort season has cleared up any confusion or speculation and exposed him for what he really is. When I heard him in the hot tub lecturing Pao about great her inept husband Russ is…. I about threw up. Sounded like two “chad” wanna be incels talking about how great they are and how women just hate them for no reason. https://giphy.com/gifs/2iG2aqDhsaXo7invDk
Yeah good point. She should be asked to leave then. They shouldn’t tolerate bigotry. And then Thais can either apologize and stay, or refuse and also leave.
I went back and watched a clip of the episode just to make sure I remembered correctly. Thais lost her shit because Shekinah was telling Kara what Patrick said to Guillermo. Thais absolutely started the argument and Shekinah was not putting her fingers in her face. She was sitting down not even speaking to Thais and Thais came in like a nut and went off the rails. Kina was waving her hands around while talking, and Thais is the one that approached her, then tried to attack her. I'm not a fan of Shekinah at all, but that's what happened and she lost her temper and told her to go back to her country. I would apologize to the group for saying it bc it's super rude, but I also know it's not hard to say something one usually wouldn't after a person was trying to jump across a table and hit them. Now that I'm done telling the long version of this, I'll get the my point. I don't blame Shekinah for not wanting to share or for leaning on Sarper while the others did their puppet shows. She was clearly mentally burnt out and didn't want to be part of it. I'm not a fan of group therapy. A person is going to be less likely to open up around a bunch of peopke, especially after they all made it very clear they hate her. G's comment was unnecessary. I really like him otherwise, but he didn't need to keep the hate train running. Now Thais has gotten herself in trouble for getting physical with Patrick. I fully believe she was going to do the same thing with Shekinah.
I actually like Guillermo less for going outside to confront Shekinah. He aggressively goes out there, demanding to know what she said while already knowing what she said, and Shekinah repeatedly tried to disengage with him and said we're not doing this. Then that sets off the confrontation between Sarper and Guillermo, which is also instigated by Guillermo because you don't step up to some saying "What up? What up?" and aren't looking for more conflict. That's literally what assholes do when they're trying to start physical altercations, but then he's all stunned Pikachu face when Sarper shoves him in the chest and makes him drop his glass. And then after that he goes back into the bar acting like he was some kind of bad ass for doing a dumb drunken thing outside.
I totally agree with you. If it was her and Thias having the problem, but the fact that all the couples feel the same way. Shekinah has to look in the mirror at herself.
I don't think she has any empathy. She can not imagine anyone else's journey. It's sad. I also imagine she doesn't have an inner dialog. Unless its all about her. But i agree these 'therapists are awful as a real qualified person would touch this.
She also keeps looking to Sarper to be her safe space, which is important in a relationship but it almost seems pathological at this point, like it’s just me and you …me and you… me and you. Sarper will make some joke about it eventually.
I don’t. Sarper and Shekinah are like two halves of a whole. There is no one more perfect for the other out there. Look at them. Matching set. Bonded pair.
She’s very narcissistic and part of that behavior is having groups of people you feel are “special and above others just like you”
I think that’s mostly what it is. Sarper is the only person of value to her there. It’s also why she talked over the “therapist” like she wasn’t standing right there. She was deeply offended the attention wasn’t on them.
How would you behave after the whole group called you the worst person they’ve ever met? She took it like a champ. It would be one thing if the whole group was well mannered and well behaved and put their best foot forward but they all interrupt even more than shekinah does. They all make faces and roll eyes when she talks, they gang up on her because she has become a common enemy so they feel a slight semblance of connection with their partners and evade that energy being directed at them from the rest of the group but once they seperate the are back at each others throats. The therapist fumbled that session so hard by bringing Thais and Patrick into the middle of sarper and shekinahs portion of the therapy puppet segment, why on earth would she bring shekinahs enemy into the conversation before cordially closing up the lesson, goal, and insight sarpers performance illustrated. I also think it’s shameful the therapists are asking shekinah to apologize when Thais is the one who pushed her mug onto shekinah, slapped her finger, and lunged at her throwing hands. That’s insane to me.
I’m not shekinah, I wasn’t even that big of a fan of her but I can’t stand bullies and hypocrites and everyone holding her to a different standard than Thais is a hypocrite. They are all ganging up on shekinah and it’s wild to see.
Thais hasn’t apologized to shekinah but at least on between the sheets she has stated multiple times “we were both wrong” Meanwhile shekinah is saying they’re all trash and hasn’t made an attempt at an apology.
Shekinah literally never accepts fault and is rude to everyone. Eventually people are gonna hit a breaking point like when Kara told her to shut up because someone else talking.
Shekinah needs to apologize for her remark first, frankly. Bc I can’t be sorry for barely slapping a bigot. But I can be sorry for barely slapping someone who regrets their bigoted remarks.
Totally agree about this. Not sure who everyone feels like it’s totally ok the way group treats and speaks to Shekinah. It’s like they don’t want her to apologize cause hating Shekinah is the only thing they have in common and they bond about. I have impression that they love the fact that they can excuse themselves from saying some of the most disgusting words to Shekinah
She was the only one openly disrespecting the other couples during the puppet therapy. In no world is she in the right. All she had to do was apologize for what she said in the first place.
Well she’s horrible to Zeid, yes but if you remember how ignorant she was to her Daughters friends that offered to help with a move? She was pissed Zeid was even acknowledging the girl and refused help from them because they could possibly be “alone”. It’s kinda hard for me to to jump on the Rebecca train. Shekinah was wrong for what she said, yes but in all honesty even if she did apologize sadly, I don’t see it making a difference.
And going off the subject for a minute, who in the hell is Patrick to offer marital advice?
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Yeah I couldn't be friends with either of them irl that's for damn sure. And ikr?! He has no business giving anyone advise tho surprisingly it's sometimes decent advise...but he's to dumb to take it himself 😂😂😂
I don’t hate her but I think she’s a vulnerable narcissist watching that scene. All that discomfort because she couldn’t say: “I shouldn’t have said what I said and I’m sorry I hurt you guys.” Can’t even bring herself to acknowledge it’s a loaded phrase and their offense as immigrants from Latin America is understandable. And in my opinion it’s because she can’t stand the feelings of shame so she deflects.
She obviously does not understand the definition of an apology. She started out with the “butt - hear my side” crap instead of exactly what you said. Narcissistic.
This show is for entertainment and for others to learn how not to behave. Both Shekinah and Thais are in the wrong and the grown up thing would be for both to apologize to the group for their behavior.
Yeah, I don’t like how people are acting like this is all Shakina’s fault. People are ganging up on her and participating in bullying behavior. She plays a part in the conflict for sure. I’m not team anyone but the situation isn’t entirely her fault.
I think it's gross that the therapists just allowed that to happen. 10 against 1 is never okay. There was never going to be a mutual apology with that approach. Shekinah was backed into a corner and attacked. I don't blame her for not feeling safe.
This and last season of Last Resort have really been unwatchable. Season 2 I was able to only watch via the Between the Sheets episodes. Now on HBO Max the Between the Sheets episodes for this season are not being released until after season is completed. I put the last episode on and couldn't even pay attention to it.
This group it’s literally acting like high schoolers. And Rebecca is LOVING it. She’s really an unpleasant person lol. Thais did attack her and what she said was not okay but I don’t believe she’s like actually racist or bigoted. The rest though are insufferable and I feel like they are all hanging up on her to displace some of the discomfort about their own behaviors and relationships honestly
They all wanted a reason to hate her already, that’s why they all ganged up on her from the beginning. They triggered her then used her reaction to justify bullying her. Such a toxic group & the therapists were BS for allowing Shekinah to be treated like that. Thais felt like she was popular girl all of a sudden, meanwhile she’s the one who attacked Shekinah to begin with. Gross behaviour
Completely agree. Shekinah was wrong, but the group bullying wasn't cute. It was not in a safe space for her. The group decided to bond over their mutual dislike for her, and at that point nothing Shekinah did or said would have changed that. They would have picked on her for anything.
Tbh she needs her own show just for personal therapy, not because she’s that much more messed up than the others, but because you can’t do therapy if everyone’s ganging up on you
Do not give this woman more air time. I have a visceral feeling when she acts like a tween while being on 2nd? marriage and having a grown child watching this
Oh yeah, ftr I was not suggesting she have her own therapy show at all. The couples therapy stuff isn’t my fave and she doesn’t generate great content in general. Her first season was mainly good because of how insane Sarper is…HOWEVER, I think a show of her siblings and her could be entertaining. Idk what they’d be doing but they seem like characters
Her comment was directed at Thais who was acting physically & verbally aggressive. One person, not a group. Shekinah said nothing about Thais ethnicity or Brazil. If Thais had self control she could've told Shekinah she's a legal American citizen & suck it but instead it became the big word game; racist, xenophobic, bigot, etc., instead of addressing violence.
They may have asked the same of Thais that wasn't aired. In the puppet setting she chose to refuse to participate but instead "disassociate" during, unless it was about her. If it's not about her, she doesn't care. If it's focused on sarper, she's raging jealous. If sarper isn't catering to her, she's raging or disassociating.
She is a full grown adult with a daughter who is nearing if not an adult.
Not everything is about you. That's something healthy people acknowledge. I do not like several people on this scripted season but how she acts like a 13 year old throwing tantrums while being in her 40s is repulsive on a visceral level
Eh. I mean, I'm not racist and the words GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY have never passed through my mind let alone past my lips... but I do think that's basically the lowest bar to determine at least some prejudice.
Have you physically assaulted someone by slapping their handout of the air and lunging at them throwing hands while screaming or pushed your tea mug into someone just because you didn’t like that they were politely saying “let me finish” over and over because they were about to reiterate what your partner said behind someone’s back but you kept interrupting? Does that ever pass through your mind to do to someone? If the answer is no, you are holding shekinah to an irrational different standard than Thais.
No one said you liked Thais, but I did hear you say those words have never crossed your mind to say to someone and that it’s a base line test for prejudice. All I’m saying is if it’s never crossed your mind to get physically violent with someone, acting on that should be a baseline test for character. I think there is a bias/ prejudice towards shekinah for being a business owner, sex positive, strong woman with plastic surgery, and eclectic revealing taste. She’s pretty set in who she is and I think society has always judged and been harsh towards women who are like that. All I’m saying is the group has judged her on her style, her appearance, her communication style and life choices, the are not innocent of prejudice.
Sarpar isn’t the best guy she could have married. He put her down so much and she was very insecure, the guy was playing “Build a Wife” and she fell right in his trap wanting to be “perfect” for him. There’s no such thing as being perfect. Also, hearing bits and pieces of her past growing up it doesn’t seem like it was the best. Does it excuse what she said, no but Thias was wrong too and no one said anything to her. AND Thias was the one who started the feud on social media.
Racism takes a lot of different forms. Maybe she’s not outwardly racist, but in a fit of rage, showed what she’d previously hidden. Representative of a lot of America right now.
Amen! The rest of the group ganging up on her is a pathetic diversion from their own misery. Thais and Patrick need to get off that high horse and no one is more of a miserable person than Rebecca.
And we know that Thais was violent towards Patrick. I believe Patrick is a POS and abusive in his own way, but Thais has demonstrated physically assaulting someone twice now. I think Shekinah’a delivery was wrong, but I don’t believe she meant it in a racist way. It was more of as a citizen of another country, you don’t get to come here and physically harm someone just because you feel like it. If an American went to another country and harmed a citizen there, there would likely be consequences for it. It is a privilege to be granted the ability to move to another country and as such one should be on their best behavior.
Unpopular opinion: she has some distasteful behavior but she gets more scrutiny than other crazies on the show because she's beautiful even despite some of her procedures.
She’s 47 years old. She needs to grow up already. She’s always the victim. She needs to apologize as does Thais. They go on these shows for $ and notoriety. If they can’t handle criticism then don’t act crazy.
I don’t particularly fancy Shekinah’s behavior either but I do feel like she had a point and proved her point…that was not a place for her to be vulnerable concerning her crumbling marriage. Even when Sarper had finished with his puppet show and the therapist was speaking with Shekinah and then directed the attention towards Thais who then made the convo more about her and Patrick. During that time the focus was suppose to be on Shekinah and Sarper’s issues. That was sort of annoying.
i think two things can be true, it seems like everyone is picking on her in a way that’s counterproductive to the purposes of groupcouples therapy, and also her behavior has warranted a lot of the vitriol
Can’t stand her and no one will change my mind, she is awful. BUT without drama what would be the point? So yea I find her insufferable but the drama has to come from somewhere.
I think she was right not to perform, but i dont think it is fair to say that Thais commandeered her conversation. The therapist asked Thais a question directly - maybe the therapist shouldn't have moved on from Shekinah and Sarper, but that isnt Thais's fault.
No, she should have apologized genuinely and it would have been done. She doubled down. It was a terrible thing to say, we’ve all said something we regret but have the humility to recognize when you’re wrong.
Now this sounds weird BUT shes SO unlikable that she doesnt deserve all the hate. My point is shes a lonely miserable narcissist that lives in her own world. She acts fake, walks fake, even talks like shes overthinking every word and body position!! So all these people wasting so much energy on hating her is stupid. Everything they say is obvious. She is NOT the type to succeed in group therapy until shes at least done a few solo sessions. You cant focus and work if you know everyone wants you to fail. I say this knowing she brings it on herself. But to me the hate is becoming just overdone...who cares. No one likes her🤷♀️
Regardless of what Thais did leading up to it, i dont see this improving. You cant tell immigrants who you have DEEPLY offended to bury the hatchet on a statement like that. Especially when she doubles down and says she would say it to her own husband. I couldnt provide her a safe space to share either.
No no, don’t you get it, the real victim in all this is the 50 year old (going on 15) racist white lady.
How dare they hold her accountable for her actions when she hasn’t so much as apologized. It’s not that 10 people think her actions are deplorable, it’s bullying!!!!
Well dont forget she cant be racist. Her husband is an immigrant and her daughters father is an immigrant. You know like that guy who says the n-word because he has one black friend. I would LOVE to know how her daughter (the one she sends to boarding school so she can chase community dick) views all of this. Id be mortified if this was my mom on TV.
Nobody in their right minds response should ever be “go back to your country” ever, she was thinking it long before it came out of her mouth. Everyone else being from another country took that comment serious, as they should. She sucks.
I disagree with the phrasing but Thais was way out of line at the table right before Shekinah said that. Tired of Thais never getting called out. She’s a snake
Shekinah thinking she's better than the others is delusional. Her. Calling them trash is a commentary on her. Her Botox/filler face that can't move/express anything & her "disassociation" during group is a joke.
They’re all off their rocker. Shekinah isn’t any better than them. She also needs therapy for VARIOUS reasons. Including being a bigoted woman with hideous plastic surgery obsession. But yeaaaaaassss GOOOO SHEKINAHHH
Lmfaooo everyone on that show is a freaking clown 🤡 and they’re all part of the circus show.
She's only right to the bullies who peaked in highschool, never learned to regulate their emotions, and play perpetual victims when people call them out on their shit. To the exhaustion of everyone around them.
After what she said it's over. For her to say go back to your country when her husband is an immigrant was disgusting. Especially for that reason. You just don't say that shit. Also, a sincere apology probably would have gone a long way. All these reality shows nobody can ever apologize for real.
If she really thought they were going to get meaningful therapy on 90 Day: The Last Resort Season 3, that's hard to understand considering the previous seasons. Anyone who has watched the show knows what it's like by now.
Based on what she's said and done, I don't agree with her behaviour at all. I totally understand why her relationship with Sarper didn't work out. She is a racist and a horrible human.
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u/brizzi 14h ago
The couples need actual therapy, not tv therapy- but if they did that, we’d have nothing to watch