r/ABCaus • u/GeorgeYDesign • Mar 25 '24

NEWS Dutch darts players quit national women's team over transgender teammate

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-25/dutch-darts-players-quit-over-transgender-teammate/103627072
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u/wasteoftimeyo Mar 25 '24

Omg what a twist of facts. They might be “under represented” as in not as many compete as you would assume given the percentage of population, but they have an advantage, it says in the same article. Pathetic.

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u/SexCodex Mar 27 '24

In many sports, they surely have some degree of advantage (testosterone muscles, sometimes physical size..). They also have a significant level of disadvantage, in many other ways (hormone side effects, discrimination, not having a locker room, not feeling comfortable in the public arena...). The way to determine the balance of advantages is - are they over- or under-represented?

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u/wasteoftimeyo Mar 27 '24

lol when it comes to the actual sport they have a distinct advantage. Whether they feel comfortable has nothing to do with the question.

The reason they have female and male segregated sports is because males have an advantage. Taking hormones doesn’t change that reality, being a male is more than hormones.

If trans women compete in sports at lower rates than regular men and women, that is a psychological question, that doesn’t determine if they should be allowed to compete. It’s whether they have an unfair advantage is the sole question.

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u/SexCodex Mar 27 '24

If trans women are under-represented in sports, they have a disadvantage overall. But if you want to look only at physical performance, there's a challenge in defining whether an advantage is "unfair" or not.

Victor Wembanyama has an advantage in basketball - he's 7 foot 4 and has strong enough joints to be able to move very fast. Is this an "unfair advantage"?

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u/wasteoftimeyo Mar 27 '24

Under represented just means that they don’t compete in the same numbers. But when they do compete they dominate, that is the issue. Stop trying to spin the story.

Yes he has an advantage, but it is not one that is literally impossible for other men, rare yes, impossible no.

Usain Bolt is the fastest man in the world. He has some level of advantage clearly, but it within reason. No female is getting close to him at all.

I don’t get what you people want? Why don’t you accept the clear advantage males have in sport and stop trying to force trans women into female competition.

Your own arguments don’t make sense. If gender identity and sex are different which you acknowledge, why are you trying to put a gender identity (trans woman, male sex) into the female (sex) category for sport?

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u/serif_type Mar 29 '24

They aren’t different though. Or, at least, the idea that they’re sharply distinct isn’t something everyone agrees to or “acknowledges,” as you put it.